mexico1970
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It's the English they don't claim to be a part of mate, which is factually correct considering most are Irish/Scandinavians.
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Shamima Begum
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It's the English they don't claim to be a part of mate, which is factually correct considering most are Irish/Scandinavians.
west didsblue
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One amusing consequence is that the government can’t use the lefty lawyers scuppering the will of the people soundbite.
You’ve acknowledged but skipped over the key point there - possibly accidentally, possibly deliberately - she is entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship, she just has to apply for it, so she is wilfully stateless at this point.
Of course, she doesn’t want Bangladeshi citizenship as they’ve made clear she will be tried for her alleged crimes and executed if/when found guilty.
Instead she is now applying for Dutch citizenship by marriage, which she is not entitled to but is pursuing as it’s her only route now out of Syria that wouldn’t see her face capital punishment if found guilty of her alleged crimes.
No she was eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship until she turned 21 without it. Now she is 24 she has no entitlement to it.
Thats why she’s applying for Dutch citizenship.
But as you’re aware, she has been in the UN camp in Syria since she was 19. She had ample time to apply for the Bangladeshi citizenship but decided not to, as it would be a death sentence to go there.No she was eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship until she turned 21 without it. Now she is 24 she has no entitlement to it.
Thats why she’s applying for Dutch citizenship.
But as you’re aware, she has been in the UN camp in Syria since she was 19. She had ample time to apply for the Bangladeshi citizenship but decided not to, as it would be a death sentence to go there.
You seem to have completely changed from “She is a Bangladeshi citizen” to “she isn’t but could have been 5 years ago if she wanted to”.
Eh? I’ve never said anywhere she’s a Bangladeshi citizen - the argument that the governments lawyers have used and been deemed correct so far is that she had the right to be and so would not be made stateless.You seem to have completely changed from “She is a Bangladeshi citizen” to “she isn’t but could have been 5 years ago if she wanted to”.
To get a bit Gen Z, she’s in the finding out stage of fucking around.
Eh? I’ve never said anywhere she’s a Bangladeshi citizen - the argument that the governments lawyers have used and been deemed correct so far is that she had the right to be and so would not be made stateless.
To get a bit Gen Z, she’s in the finding out stage of fucking around.
Sorry, you’re correct, you went from lecturing me on how I’d forgotten “she can get it whenever she applies” to accepting she can’t and that was all bollocks.
Hard to keep track when people keep saying blatantly wrong shit and then changing their minds.
As for your fantasy about her being executed in Bangladesh, it’s just a fantasy. She’s not committed any crimes while in Bangladesh or as a Bangladeshi citizen.
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Interesting that you say she wouldn’t be executed in Bangladesh when the Bangladeshi foreign minister said that infact if she came to Bangladesh she *would* be tried for terrorism offences and if found guilty given the death penalty…As for your fantasy about her being executed in Bangladesh, it’s just a fantasy. She’s not committed any crimes while in Bangladesh or as a Bangladeshi citizen.
Strange that you believe the Bangladeshi’s when they say she would have to apply to become a citizen but don’t believe them when they say they’d put her on trial and execute her….
As you say ‘Hard to keep track when people keep saying blatantly wrong shit’…
Interesting that you say she wouldn’t be executed in Bangladesh when the Bangladeshi foreign minister said that infact if she came to Bangladesh she *would* be tried for terrorism offences and if found guilty given the death penalty…
Strange that you believe the Bangladeshi’s when they say she would have to apply to become a citizen but don’t believe them when they say they’d put her on trial and execute her….
As you say ‘Hard to keep track when people keep saying blatantly wrong shit’…
Believing the Bangladeshi courts and government is not the same as believing everything every Bangladeshi politician says.
Overall I have high levels of trust in the UK government as an entity, that’s not the same as believing everything Boris Johnson or Kemi Badendoch says is gospel.
Bangladesh would have no jurisdiction to try her for crimes that didn’t happen in Bangladesh or were not carried out by a Bangladeshi citizen - which she was not.
hilts
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Interesting that you say she wouldn’t be executed in Bangladesh when the Bangladeshi foreign minister said that infact if she came to Bangladesh she *would* be tried for terrorism offences and if found guilty given the death penalty…
Strange that you believe the Bangladeshi’s when they say she would have to apply to become a citizen but don’t believe them when they say they’d put her on trial and execute her….
As you say ‘Hard to keep track when people keep saying blatantly wrong shit’…
People are so all over the place on this it's hilarious, we could see a new thing where a poster may reply and argue against themselves.