Shamima Begum

[Metal Biker]

Because she's British. She was born in Britain and is a British national. That's not to say anything positive or negative about her, it's just a simple fact. She might be guilty of any number of crimes, and morally reprehensible in any number of ways, but that's not the point.

She also has Bangladeshi nationality so she's not without a nation to return to.

I. International Instruments on Citizenship

International law says relatively little about how states may formulate or implement their domestic citizenship law. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948, states that everyone is entitled to a nationality and that no one should be “arbitrarily deprived” of her nationality. Several years later, the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness, to which the UK is a state party, codified some of these principles by requiring that states grant citizenship to individuals born within their borders who would otherwise be stateless and refrain from acting in ways that would render an individual stateless. As long as the UK acts within the confines of these instruments, international law does not prohibit it stripping Begum of her nationality.

The Supreme Court has looked over these concerns and is the reason it reached the conclusion they have. Shouldn't Begum face trial in Syria for the crimes she committed there? The UK after all wishes the US to extradite Anna Sacoolas for the death of Harry Dunn. Same applies here for Begum. She committed these crimes in ISIS occupied Syria. It is the Syrians she should answer to.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

The plight of this young woman breaks my heart.
As a school child she ran away and got herself mixed up with a very undesirable collection of individuals.
Quite correctly she should now answer for any alleged wrongdoing, but the argument that she should somehow lose her citizenship is dangerous, immoral, and legally extremely dubious.

We should be asking ourselves what it is about our society that running away to Syria looked like a better option than staying at home for a vulnerable child.

If she was a white male , running away to Dublin and getting mixed up with a bunch of Provisionals would there be a cry to strip Him of his citizenship? No, of course there wouldn't.

And what of the precedent being set here? What happens when we arrest a foreign national for some heinous crime or other and wish to deport them home if their home nation refuses them citizenship? Do we keep them?

Dog whistle judicial grandstanding with an eye on the Daily Mail, as per usual in this country.

This desperately vulnerable young woman needs to be brought home, looked after, educated on the error of her ways and allowed to eventually live a normal happy life.

This whole episode is a desperately sad state of affairs.

And how would you feel if she comes back and commits a terrorist incident killing many people? Serious question that.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

And how would you feel if she comes back and commits a terrorist incident killing many people? Serious question that.

The same way I'd feel if anybody else committed a terrorist atrocity. That she should be dealt with by the full force of the law, in compliance with our common law system of justice.

Stripping citizenship from vulnerable children is the thin end of a very frightening wedge.

I should add that this country made her, this country has to look after her.

 

[Metal Biker]

Does this apply to every British alleged criminal?

If they have committed a crime in a foreign nation, yes.

 

[Metal Biker]

The plight of this young woman breaks my heart.
As a school child she ran away and got herself mixed up with a very undesirable collection of individuals.
Quite correctly she should now answer for any alleged wrongdoing, but the argument that she should somehow lose her citizenship is dangerous, immoral, and legally extremely dubious.

We should be asking ourselves what it is about our society that running away to Syria looked like a better option than staying at home for a vulnerable child.

If she was a white male , running away to Dublin and getting mixed up with a bunch of Provisionals would there be a cry to strip Him of his citizenship? No, of course there wouldn't.

And what of the precedent being set here? What happens when we arrest a foreign national for some heinous crime or other and wish to deport them home if their home nation refuses them citizenship? Do we keep them?

Dog whistle judicial grandstanding with an eye on the Daily Mail, as per usual in this country.

This desperately vulnerable young woman needs to be brought home, looked after, educated on the error of her ways and allowed to eventually live a normal happy life.

This whole episode is a desperately sad state of affairs.

Anna Sacoolas wants your inbox.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Real double standards here - we deport criminals to Jamaica at will because they are Jamaican and thus Jamaica's problem.

Shamima Begum born here and a British citizen and we strip her of that citizenship and tell Syria and Bangladesh she is their problem.

As I say double standards that trouble me.

 

[Rascal]

The same way I'd feel if anybody else committed a terrorist atrocity. That she should be dealt with by the full force of the law, in compliance with our common law system of justice.

Stripping citizenship from vulnerable children is the thin end of a very frightening wedge.

I should add that this country made her, this country has to look after her.

Stripping citizenship from anybody is dangerous for us all.

These knee jerk reactions lead to authoritarianism.

Start with a trickle and who is to say that next getting a speeding ticket is France is used a reason to strip a person of citizenship, getting caught in the wrong place at the wrong time at a Euro away gets you stripped of citizenship.

The girl should be brought to the UK and dealt with by the law.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

The same way I'd feel if anybody else committed a terrorist atrocity. That she should be dealt with by the full force of the law, in compliance with our common law system of justice.

Stripping citizenship from vulnerable children is the thin end of a very frightening wedge.

I should add that this country made her, this country has to look after her.

Fair enough. No remorse then for campaigning to bring her back?

That's the thing that scares me. The right thing is bringing her back, morally it's the way forward. But I have a couple of reservations and a major one is the risk of her killing people and of me contributing to that.

It's certainly a conflicting case.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Real double standards here - we deport criminals to Jamaica at will because they are Jamaican and thus Jamaica's problem.

Shamima Begum born here and a British citizen and we strip her of that citizenship and tell Syria and Bangladesh she is their problem.

As I say double standards that trouble me.

Agree.

If all states just washed their hands of their foreign criminals then we as a nation would suffer far more than most with criminals essentially abandoned on our shores.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Real double standards here - we deport criminals to Jamaica at will because they are Jamaican and thus Jamaica's problem.

Shamima Begum born here and a British citizen and we strip her of that citizenship and tell Syria and Bangladesh she is their problem.

As I say double standards that trouble me.

It would be good if we adopted the attitude of Jacinda Adern (when she confronted Australia on similar issue) , people with a longstanding connection to the UK, e.g. they grew up here or lived here for a period exceeding x number of years shouldn't be deported.