Did I even say that? I said she confessed in an interview that she didn't regret having children. Give your head a serious wobble.
Nope, which is the point. So i'm taking the advice from those who do. My own personal judgement of the character of Begum is based on her comments she has given in recent interviews. I saw no remorse, she was only upset that IS ended and that she had been caught.I don't honestly know, and neither do you, but I believe she deserves a chance to repent and redeem herself after a suitable period of punishment.
This is all missing the point. It's not up to bluemoon to judge her complicity or state of mind based on media reporting or even on security service assessments.Some people can, she has shown no willingness to do so. The Home Office and MI5 also agree this to be the case.
People are justifying her actions when they say she was 'groomed' and that she 'didn't know what she was doing'. She wasn't. She either was groomed, and therefore didn't commit a crime and has no reason to be returned because now as an adult she DID confess to committing crimes in Syria and must therefore face trial there, OR she WASN'T groomed, but hasn't committed any crimes in Syria but was complicit and has shown no remorse for her actions since, indicating she's a terror threat.
Why people keep ignoring the fact that Shamima has confessed she was complicit, rejected her UK citizenship status and wasn't groomed into doing any of it, only suggests there is another agenda at play by people on here. I seek that the Kurds and Yazidis get their justice; the issue of Begum is no longer our concern.
To be fair, the age of consent in Syria is 15 but I doubt he knew that.Yes, you did. You said she wasn't raped because she "willingly" had children with a 25 year old man when she was 15.
To be fair, the age of consent in Syria is 15 but I doubt he knew that.
Ahh so that's what you're doing now. You're losing your shit and inventing things I didn't even say.Yes, you did. You said she wasn't raped because she "willingly" had children with a 25 year old man when she was 15.
You said it explicitly. "Wasn't raped. Had children willingly".
If you think that being willing means a child under the age of consent can't be raped then you shouldn't be giving out lectures on the morality of Shamima Begum.
That's the quote. I'm quoting her own statements.Funny though, that you accept that fact but ignore the fact she says she wasn't groomed, did things willingly, does not regret her actions, yet you don't believe you're inventing something about her to justify her as a victim. Wasn't raped, got married willingly, wanted to have children.
Ahh so that's what you're doing now. You're losing your shit and inventing things I didn't even say.
That's the quote.
Wasn't raped, got married willingly, wanted to have children.
You know that for certain, do you?Yes. The first bit is stupid beyond belief, as if a victim of grooming can never be in denial of what's happened or defend their abuser, and the second bit you've bolded is you justifying statutory rape.
I’m not judging anybody. Just pointing out that ages of consent vary by country. ISIS are a criminal cult so their age of consent is irrelevant. It’s the age of consent of the sovereign state where they occupy that should be the governing factor. I’m more bothered about upholding the law in whatever jurisdiction rather than making emotive judgments based on fuck all. That is why pretending we have the right to stop her coming here is wrong as is applying the U.K. age of consent to another country.The age of consent under ISIS is 9. Are we going to judge them by their standards or ours?
The second bolded bit was a summary of her statements, not my own opinions, but I suppose when you're blinded with rage you tend not to think rationally.