Shamima Begum

Fuck it, just let her back. What harm will it do? Maybe make it a requisite that she passes her HGV licence before she comes back.
 
malg said:
Fuck it, just let her back. What harm will it do? Maybe make it a requisite that she passes her HGV licence before she comes back.
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So long as she agrees to do six months fruit picking as well I’m ok with that.
 
malg said:
Fuck it, just let her back. What harm will it do? Maybe make it a requisite that she passes her HGV licence before she comes back.
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hammocity said:
Ask the majority of Syrians, victims of terror and non believers (even different sects of Muslims) affected by ISIS if she deserves love and understanding, those are the last things she will get and quite rightly. She's lucky to still be alive, bring her back, send her to prison and keep her there beyond her senior years, that will send a punitive message to anyone thinking of doing the same in the future.
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Well, I can't do that, but you bring up a valid point.. despite being ugly (which is of no fault of her own) she also joined a death cult.. which simply has to be taken into consideration in my view.
We could bring her back and put her prison, but 2 wrongs don't make a right
 
Chris B said:
That’s my point: they’d never get the evidence together to try her for any past offences - if there is any, so best to keep her away. I doubt a strong enough case could be put before a court regardless of statements she has made that would seem to incriminate herself to an extent. All too easy for defence team to cloud that with alternative interpretations. If she comes here she’ll be free.

However, there’s plenty enough evidence of potential involvement with ISIS, which is the basis I think she shouldn’t be allowed to enter the UK. Thankfully, the government has a right to make a judgement to keep her out on the basis of national security, which it has in a legal manner as found by the Supreme Court. She’ll never face proper punishment for any crimes she’s been involved in but I can live with that.
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Since when has 'potential' ever been cited as 'certainty'?

I don't need to go through the whole as it's propped up by this one razor thin reasoning!

So, now we accept Begum is 'guilty' on 'hearsay'? This 'trust us'-'oven ready' gov who never lies through its broken teeth?

That is exactly your argument!
 
hammocity said:
Ask the majority of Syrians, victims of terror and non believers (even different sects of Muslims) affected by ISIS if she deserves love and understanding, those are the last things she will get and quite rightly. She's lucky to still be alive, bring her back, send her to prison and keep her there beyond her senior years, that will send a punitive message to anyone thinking of doing the same in the future.
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And the people that joined, actually picked up weapons and fought for Isis before returning to the UK as the gov lost track of them?

A mouthy kid gets the punishment they should have had...?

Good grief...
 
Javed, The Home Secretary at the time, said the decision to remove her citizenship was taken as she was deemed a danger to public safety. Apparently he said, 'If you'd seen what I've seen.' Which, I would assume, meant he was privy to in depth intelligence of atrocities.
There are thousands of causes worth pursuing, I doubt that fretting about this evil individual is high on the public's list of priorities.
 
Bigga said:
And the people that joined, actually picked up weapons and fought for Isis before returning to the UK as the gov lost track of them?

A mouthy kid gets the punishment they should have had...?

Good grief...
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You don't know if she's just a "mouthy kid", she's one to make an example of because she has broken the UK Terrorism Laws, good fucking grief to you.
 
Bigga said:
Since when has 'potential' ever been cited as 'certainty'?

I don't need to go through the whole as it's propped up by this one razor thin reasoning!

So, now we accept Begum is 'guilty' on 'hearsay'? This 'trust us'-'oven ready' gov who never lies through its broken teeth?

That is exactly your argument!
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Not much in life is certain, and not everything has to be proven to the standard a court demands. If we could only act on certainties, or when the proof was beyond any reasonable doubt, then nobody would get out of bed in the morning.
 
hammocity said:
You don't know if she's just a "mouthy kid", she's one to make an example of because she has broken the UK Terrorism Laws, good fucking grief to you.
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WTF?

Do you not bother tying strands together? I'll let you do it for yourself.

Isis, Islamic laws, female, westerner, pregnancy, 3 kids, guns, niqabs, voting, government.

You can do it in any order you like, but I can't make it any easier than that rather than swallow the 'probability' trope.

Also, you skipped the part about returning Isis fighters to settle on a, then, 15 year old making a dumb decision.

Note, I have never said she might not be 'guilty', but the fact that whatever evidence there is, is flimsy as fuck, especially taking the above into account.

But, I can't implore you to open your mind and look at fact versus fiction.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Javed, The Home Secretary at the time, said the decision to remove her citizenship was taken as she was deemed a danger to public safety. Apparently he said, 'If you'd seen what I've seen.' Which, I would assume, meant he was privy to in depth intelligence of atrocities.
There are thousands of causes worth pursuing, I doubt that fretting about this evil individual is high on the public's list of priorities.
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it's a shame we waste so much time fussing over this terrorist when we can't even keep the likes of Sarah safe from our own coppers. How on Earth are we to expect, as shown with Salman Abedi, to stop her doing her business here when she gets back and the charges don't stick? Our institutions aren't fit to handle someone like her appropriately, that's where the focus and change needs to be.
 
Chris B said:
Not much in life is certain, and not everything has to be proven to the standard a court demands. If we could only act on certainties, or when the proof was beyond any reasonable doubt, then nobody would get out of bed in the morning.
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I hope you read this back, one day!

We're not talking about nicking sweets or telling a fib to your siblings, etc!

Wow...
 
hammocity said:
You don't know if she's just a "mouthy kid", she's one to make an example of because she has broken the UK Terrorism Laws, good fucking grief to you.
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Some of the responses on here are jaw dropping in their
naivety, 'Mouthy Kids' are all around us, people who do silly
things at 15 are, most of them have decent parents that
straighten their behaviour. What aren't amongst us in large numbers are 15 year olds prepared to join murderous medieval death cults, for the craic, for an imbued hatred and disdain of civilised folk, for the power of witnessing helpless victims slaughtered like sheep.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Some of the responses on here are jaw dropping in their
naivety, 'Mouthy Kids' are all around us, people who do silly
things at 15 are, most of them have decent parents that
straighten their behaviour. What aren't amongst us in large numbers are 15 year olds prepared to join murderous medieval death cults, for the craic, for an imbued hatred and disdain of civilised folk, for the power of witnessing helpless victims slaughtered like sheep.
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I'll tell you what, just swap the "medieval death cults" for gangs here and see if that fits anywhere in the UK.

Like I said, she was a dick. It doesn't mean she's guilty of what's levelled at her.
 
Bigga said:
I'll tell you what, just swap the "medieval death cults" for gangs here and see if that fits anywhere in the UK.

Like I said, she was a dick. It doesn't mean she's guilty of what's levelled at her.
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I fail to see the relevance of gangs here, or anywhere in the world, to the acts committed, and abetted by, the likes of this terrorist. You have obviously not seen or read much about what this disgusting group have been involved in. You have convinced yourself that she's just another silly kid, and all I can say in response to that stance is thank Christ you're not in government.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I fail to see the relevance of gangs here, or anywhere in the world, to the acts committed, and abetted by, the likes of this terrorist. You have obviously not seen or read much about what this disgusting group have been involved in. You have convinced yourself that she's just another silly kid, and all I can say in response to that stance is thank Christ you're not in government.
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I'd do a better job in Gov than the knobs you have supported in power! You know, the ones that lie, lie, lie in order to stay in power?

You know, the ones that have fed you information about this girl, the ones that have seen "evidence" but are not going to show anyone else and weirdly, that "evidence" would not be enough to convict her, but keep her out.

I'll let you cobble that piece of logic together as you jog on.
 
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