Shamima Begum

[kaz7]

If she was born and raised in America with a British dad and the yanks stripped her of her citizenship and said she’s entitled to be British so she can go to the UK to be dealt with, would you think that’s ok?

No, i dont want her here full stop, we dont have all the facts but she is deemed a danger to us, that is enough for me

 

[domalino]

we dont have all the facts but she is deemed a danger to us, that is enough for me

Not according to the judges who decided this case. The SIAC judges were shown all the government's evidence and ruled that this entire case was driven by politics, not national security.

Mr Larkin has said in OPEN that there were national security reasons justifying the omission to give Ms Begum a prior opportunity although no particulars have been given. The Commission addresses these in CLOSED and rejects his evidence. What the Commission can say in OPEN is that in its view the real reasons why Ms Begum was given no prior opportunity were that the Secretary of State was, fortified by Al-Jedda, following his standard policy not to do so, and that it is clear from all the material we have seen that, from the moment the news story broke, this decision would have to be made quickly. Political rather than national security factors drove the outcome.​

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If your justification for supporting this was that she's a national security threat, it doesn't really exist any more.

I've spent some time today reading the ruling and it's pretty chilling.

Regarding National Security, the government constructed a web ofcontradictions to internally justify Begum as a threat. They based it on the idea she travelled there willingly and voluntarily, even though their own guidelies published 4 days earlier stipulate that she was too young to be held fully responsible, and by our own laws a 15 year child old can't voluntarily sign up to being shipped across the world and married to someone 10 years older by grown ups.

Then they had an internal opinion that going to join ISIS doesn't make you a threat, but staying in the region does. This is how they justified letting all the other ISIS people back in, but not Shamima Begum.

So essentially the gov was saying if she'd had the money and connections to fly home when IS fell, she'd not be a risk, but because she got stuck in a refugee camp for years, she's now a bigger national security threat than experienced ISIS fighters who were waived back in.

This is why there's ~450 former ISIS members in the UK now with British citizenship. The came home quickly, she got stuck.

No wonder the judges rejected it.

 

[BayernMan]

This thread is a microcosm of the very worst in our society.
Where a child rape and people trafficking victim, a CHILD rape and people-trafficking rape victim, can so easily be described as a “little woman” without a murmur is sadly symptomatic of the vile, hate-filled, disgusting shit-hole this country has become.

That poor, vulnerable, young child. She could be anybody’s daughter. That poor poor girl. It breaks my heart the way we have treated her, all so middle aged, angry, white men can feel macho and tough.

Disgusting.

Well said. Happen in America where child POCs are described older than their legal age to play down sympathy….

 

[Chris in London]

What would she be put on trial for?

Has she technically committed any crime within the UK that she could go on trial for?

Yes.

She and the other two girls she left with are guilty of conspiracy to join a terrorist organisation.

That is a criminal offence committed by three British citizens, within the UK. (Two of whom are now believed to be dead.)

You appear not to appreciate that being deprived of UK citizenship is not a punishment that the Home Secretary hands out, it is a measure designed to safeguard the UK. Punishment is a matter for the courts, not the Home Secretary of the day. You appear to take the view she should not be punished for the crimes she committed, as a British citizen, whilst living in the UK.

That's up to you, but most people think criminals should face justice.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Would you feel that way if your kid was murdered at Manchester Arena and this “poor vulnerable young child” said it’s justified, when actually she was 20 when she said it. And now you want her to walk the same streets at the families of victims

She said she had no regrets about being part of a terrorist organisation. That’s all you need to know about her mentality and beliefs.

It’s nothing to do with people wanting to feel macho, it’s about a now adult that tries to justify terrorism and now wants to come back.

Poor little girl, yeah right. She’s an adult with radical views and made no bones about saying it when asked about them

I wouldn’t begin to understand the mental anguish a child experiences after being trafficked and raped repeatedly.
But I genuinely believe that we, as a society, should recognise that being trafficked and abused whilst a child, is likely to have a severe psychological trauma on the victim and lead them to speak and act in ways that us lucky people who haven’t been subjected to such horrendous abuse may initially struggle to comprehend.
She is an easy target for angry, middle aged, knuckle draggers who jump on the chance to lay into an abused child. That is what she was, and it is undeniable that the abuse she was subjected to must have left a mark on her.

We have failed her and we must make up for that.
Bring the girl home, offer her succour, give her a robust defence and after she has served her sentence (assuming she is in actual fact guilty of any crime) look after her.
Given the national hysteria about this poor girl, that may well look like a change of identity, and a lifetime of financial and emotional support.
It’s the least we owe her.

 

[BlueBanger]

This thread is a microcosm of the very worst in our society.
Where a child rape and people trafficking victim, a CHILD rape and people-trafficking rape victim, can so easily be described as a “little woman” without a murmur is sadly symptomatic of the vile, hate-filled, disgusting shit-hole this country has become.

That poor, vulnerable, young child. She could be anybody’s daughter. That poor poor girl. It breaks my heart the way we have treated her, all so middle aged, angry, white men can feel macho and tough.

Disgusting.

Here we go with the labels....the auto go-to for the fruitcakes in society.

This utter dirty arsehole of a human described acts of terror as justified, as but one example of how she's no "poor vulnerable child". She can rot wherever she finds herself, that isn't the UK, for all i care.

That racist attack on white men specifically proves your laughable worldview...which doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Also, If the country is a "disgusting shit-hole" you always have the option to clear off. I suspect nothing of value would be lost.

 

[journolud]

Lol, ironic ? , i am allowed to agree with the odd thing they do , she made her bed and she can rot in it , go watch all her early interviews , she doesnt give a shit about this country

I’m capable of considering a wider context but thanks for the advice

 

[bluethrunthru]

15 - groomed - terrorist - bomb assembly

UK schoolgirl who faced terror charges is ‘wake-up call about grooming’

Charges against Rhianan Rudd, then 15, were dropped after evidence proved she had been groomed online by rightwing extremists

www.theguardian.com

 

[mexico1970]

Lol, ironic ? , i am allowed to agree with the odd thing they do , she made her bed and she can rot in it , go watch all her early interviews , she doesnt give a shit about this country

Be safe in the knowledge that most people believe like you, fortunately the courts wont be allowing her entry any day soon.

 

[west didsblue]

No, i dont want her here full stop, we dont have all the facts but she is deemed a danger to us, that is enough for me

So you don’t think it would be ok for the Americans to do what we’re trying to do to Bangladesh but you’re ok with us doing it?