Shay Given to Arsenal (merged)

[kiiiki]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

Where not selling players to spurs because there our rivals,
so what are Arsenal?

Your friends….for god sake, dont compare us to Spurs, they are scum. Also Wenger and Mancini have a lot of respect for each other, you could see that they way they embraced when we played you the last time

 

[lee-mcfc]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

should not be selling(loaning) to any rivals

 

[smudgedj]

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[1.618034]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

IrishMacca Given was always a World Class Keeper. Any football fan in England would of rated Given in there Top 3 keepers in the past 10 years or more. So getting rid is a joke as Hart is yet to show that form year after year after year. Maybe its Mancinis way of getting into the good books with the English media but I think in the long term the club will be better off having Hart instead of Shay.

Longterm yes, but Given did nothing to get dropped and is still better than Hart, and more proven. It's one thing to except that a player is being dropped because he's not good enough, but to be dropped purely because of age and nationality, something you can't change, must be so hard to stomach. And that's it. Hart's not better than Given, but he's a future English star apparently so that gives him a huge advantage, the English press and manager must be all to fuckin delighted as they got their way. There was no way he'd start Given. Being young and English is what the Premiership wants now. While our best player is sitting on the bench going in cold to Euro qualifiers.

I disagree. Given has only one thing over Hart and that's experience. There's only one way to get that. Hart is 3" taller and therefore has a longer reach so technically and physically Hart is superior. Hart matches Given in all areas but wipes the floor with him when it comes to collecting crosses. He's also been at the club longer than Given so if you're talking about loyalty and giving players a chance then it really is a no-brainer. But that doesn't make him a bad keeper either which is why he would walk into almost any team in the PL. He's just not Joe Hart.

What City and Given do about it is another thing...

Personally I think it's a bit rich of Given to be kicking up such a stink after, or even before the first game. He has a contract with us so should at least give it until January and see what happens... It's only because it's Arsenal that he wants away. And it's precisely for that reason that we shouldn't let it happen, cheaply.

Basically he wants to go to Arsenal more than he wants to stay and fight for his place. V poor.

 

[leighton]

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[/quote]Longterm yes, but Given did nothing to get dropped and is still better than Hart, and more proven. It's one thing to accept that a player is being dropped because he's not good enough, but to be dropped purely because of age and nationality, something you can't change, must be so hard to stomach. And that's it. Hart's not better than Given, but he's a future English star apparently so that gives him a huge advantage, the English press and manager must be all to fuckin delighted as they got their way. There was no way he'd start Given. Being young and English is what the Premiership wants now. While our best player is sitting on the bench going in cold to Euro qualifiers.

The single reason Hart starts in goals is because he's potentionally a good English prospect. If Hart was French or Dutch etc. We wouldn't be having this conversation and that's the truth of the matter and that must be absolutely impossible to stomach. And people want him to stay and fight? Fight what? Because he can't change his age of his nationality and that is what is keeping him out, not form or skill.[/quote]

I know were you are coming from and it must be a hard pill for Shay to swallow as you rightly say he did fuck all wrong. Shay is now at his peak for a Keeper but Hart is still a baby in football keeping terms. Hard choice but I could only imagine the backlash Mancini would of got from the media if he choosed Shay ahead of Joe we would be killing football yet again.

 

[TFC]

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Longterm yes, but Given did nothing to get dropped and is still better than Hart, and more proven. It's one thing to accept that a player is being dropped because he's not good enough, but to be dropped purely because of age and nationality, something you can't change, must be so hard to stomach. And that's it. Hart's not better than Given, but he's a future English star apparently so that gives him a huge advantage, the English press and manager must be all to fuckin delighted as they got their way. There was no way he'd start Given. Being young and English is what the Premiership wants now. While our best player is sitting on the bench going in cold to Euro qualifiers.

The single reason Hart starts in goals is because he's potentionally a good English prospect. If Hart was French or Dutch etc. We wouldn't be having this conversation and that's the truth of the matter and that must be absolutely impossible to stomach. And people want him to stay and fight? Fight what? Because he can't change his age of his nationality and that is what is keeping him out, not form or skill.

Potentially? Fuck me, you need to take your green tinted goggles off, Hart is a class act. Not saying he's any better than Shay is, but 'potentially' a good prospect is pushing it a bit.

Its a tweet FFS, lets see what happens before we all start flapping.

 

[1.618034]

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Where not selling players to spurs because there our rivals,
so what are Arsenal?

Your friends….for god sake, dont compare us to Spurs, they are scum. Also Wenger and Mancini have a lot of respect for each other, you could see that they way they embraced when we played you the last time

I tell you what, it's come to something when The Bank of England Club(TM) come to Likkle Ciddy begging for our cast-offs at bargain basement prices...

What do you reckon he's worth?

 

[alera]

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If they are paying what we paid for him fine he can go there.

Any talk of a loan though or a cheap deal the fans wont accept that and we would be a laughing stock.

Hart proved on Saturday hes the better keeper. We all wanted Shay to stay and fight for his place but it seems hes not willing to do that. If hes not automatic first choice we will put in a transfer request.

If he forces us to make a choice we will have to choose Hart and its clearly the right decision.

 

[bazamancity1]

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wenger was asked 3 times on a interview was he going for shay he answered no 3 times sky web site interview.

 

[IrishMacca]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

Longterm yes, but Given did nothing to get dropped and is still better than Hart, and more proven. It's one thing to except that a player is being dropped because he's not good enough, but to be dropped purely because of age and nationality, something you can't change, must be so hard to stomach. And that's it. Hart's not better than Given, but he's a future English star apparently so that gives him a huge advantage, the English press and manager must be all to fuckin delighted as they got their way. There was no way he'd start Given. Being young and English is what the Premiership wants now. While our best player is sitting on the bench going in cold to Euro qualifiers.

I disagree. Given has only one thing over Hart and that's experience. There's only one way to get that. Hart is 3" taller and therefore has a longer reach so technically and physically Hart is superior. Hart matches Given in all areas but wipes the floor with him when it comes to collecting crosses. He's also been at the club longer than Given so if you're talking about loyalty and giving players a chance then it really is a no-brainer. But that doesn't make him a bad keeper either which is why he would walk into almost any team in the PL. He's just not Joe Hart.

What City and Given do about it is another thing...

Personally I think it's a bit rich of Given to be kicking up such a stink after, or even before the first game. He has a contract with us so should at least give it until January and see what happens... It's only because it's Arsenal that he wants away. And it's precisely for that reason that we shouldn't let it happen, cheaply.

Basically he wants to go to Arsenal more than he wants to stay and fight for his place. V poor.

Given is proven and a much better shot stopper than Hart, Hart is disorganised, inexperienced and mush weaker shot stopper than Given. You know, it seems Given, being "not a bad keeper" didn't do us too badly for the last 2 seasons. But fuck it what does that matter.

As for size? It doesn't help Green, James..etc. Hell, Roy Keane was told that he was too small to ever make it in football.
Hart kicked up much more of a fuss than Given mentionining once that he'd have to think about what would happen if he didn't start. But it seems to have slipped your mind.
Given can't change the reason he's not being picked, he's not a 23 year old English player. So why should he waste his time.

He's just not Joe Hart. You mean he's not English, Hart has had one good season and played well enough in the game on Saturday and suddenly, he's "Joe Hart" the messiah, "God" suddenly he's an all time great, and done more in his 5 mins at the club as no. 1 than Given did, who played a major role in getting us 5th last season.

Why should he stay when he can't change the reason he's being benched. He's not English, thank God, if he was, or if Hart was French or Spanish..etc. We wouldn't be having this conversation. Hart is nothing but potentional, and no other club serious about competing for the top would have a 23 year old in goal.

Why should Given stay, Mancini is obviously pleasing the English lads, which means screwing Shay over, so why should he stay, especially when clearly he isn't valued here.