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Stephenhakin said:
I can, second half at Anfield.
Short memories....
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I can, second half at Anfield.
Short memories....
:)
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Marvin said:Or even eventual No. 1 if he does a good job.tolmie's hairdoo said:I would have to say yes, sadly, if either tactics or application are in question on Wednesday.
It might require something radical just to inject a shot of renewed optimism to remain in the top four in our remaining games.
The players have badly let down Pellegrini at times, but too many games remain for us to have the luxury of coasting.
Vieira isn't the immediate long term solution but if he is asked to make a dramatic impact, it could well prove right time right place, even if he were to become the eventual No.2.
Why not? Where did Guardiola come from when he first became a manager. He's got the credentials to manage for the short term at any rate. And we'd get a short term lift from it, and that in itself is reason to do it
It's still possible to win the League as Chelsea are cracking too
It's so annoying to realise that the League was there for the taking if we hadn't thrown so many cheap points away recently. We could still put a wining run together but that would be more likely under PV
I thought that up until Burnley ( we could still win the title ) but to me its so glaringly obvious the players do not want to play for this manager anymore for whatever reason.
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aguero93:20 said:Stephenhakin said:blueinsa said:You are as am I saying i look forward to your contribution far more when we are back winning again.
Win, lose or draw I'd like to see effort. This is basically what this was all about. Saturday was the least amount of effort I can ever recall seeing from a City side unless you can name another.
I can, second half at Anfield.
Short memories....
:)
haha...fair enough but at least Liverpool are of a certain level.
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Why would it ? Give us some evidence, there is none.Marvin said:We could still put a wining run together but that would be more likely under PV
I'm not anti PV, in fact I' very pro him, but not now, and giving him 8 or 9 games, may well see us miss out on a CL spot (yes we could miss out either way), and it could set the club back 2 or 3 years. It might also significantly jeopardise his chances of actually becoming the manager of the club long term, as I doubt he'd be willing to step up for a couple of months, then return to his previous role.
He needs to be advanced into the position in a more shall we say "holistic" way, and by that I mean that I'd prefer to see him take on the role of number two or a while.
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Stephenhakin said:blueinsa said:Stephenhakin said:Mate I have been a Blue since I was 6. 33 years ago. I think I am entitled to ask the question.
You are as am I saying i look forward to your contribution far more when we are back winning again.
Win, lose or draw I'd like to see effort. This is basically what this was all about. Saturday was the least amount of effort I can ever recall seeing from a City side unless you can name another.
Do you think the players have any responsibility for the lack of effort? We weren't given a footballing lesson on Saturday by better players or blown away by a tactical master class. 11 Burnley players just wanted it more and 11 City players, to a man more gifted technically just couldn't be arsed to put in a shift and do what superior teams do and win the game.
Not one of us would swap any of their team for ours, not one so any side put out against them should be more than capable of getting the job done and its a fair enough assumption to think the manager is able to think the exact same thing.
Pellegrini drops clangers, we all do but on Saturday he was as badly let down as we were by the players.
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Marvin said:Or even eventual No. 1 if he does a good job.tolmie's hairdoo said:I would have to say yes, sadly, if either tactics or application are in question on Wednesday.
It might require something radical just to inject a shot of renewed optimism to remain in the top four in our remaining games.
The players have badly let down Pellegrini at times, but too many games remain for us to have the luxury of coasting.
Vieira isn't the immediate long term solution but if he is asked to make a dramatic impact, it could well prove right time right place, even if he were to become the eventual No.2.
Why not? Where did Guardiola come from when he first became a manager. He's got the credentials to manage for the short term at any rate. And we'd get a short term lift from it, and that in itself is reason to do it
It's still possible to win the League as Chelsea are cracking too
It's so annoying to realise that the League was there for the taking if we hadn't thrown so many cheap points away recently. We could still put a wining run together but that would be more likely under PV
I tend to agree re Vieira.
What's the point of him hanging around if the narrative will always be not experienced enough?
He needs to get it somewhere and we will not be the direct beneficiaries if he has to go get it elsewhere.
And then the ship will have well and truly sailed if he does the business elsewhere.
City aren't a charity case, so I would assume they know his aspirations.
If he was asked to come in and firefight between now and the end of the season, and was able to evidence a direct impact, he would give himself a real shot.
I would like to see him become number two, regardless of whether Pellegrini remains in charge or not.
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So because something worked once about 7 years ago, it'll work now ? I wonder how many other football clubs have tried this, and seen it fail since then ?Stephenhakin said:Viera isnt ready to step in? Say's who? Was Pep ready all them years back? Probably not.
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blueinsa said:Stephenhakin said:blueinsa said:You are as am I saying i look forward to your contribution far more when we are back winning again.
Win, lose or draw I'd like to see effort. This is basically what this was all about. Saturday was the least amount of effort I can ever recall seeing from a City side unless you can name another.
Do you think the players have any responsibility for the lack of effort? We weren't given a footballing lesson on Saturday by better players or blown away by a tactical master class. 11 Burnley players just wanted it more and 11 City players, to a man more gifted technically just couldn't be arsed to put in a shift and do what superior teams do and win the game.
Not one of us would swap any of their team for ours, not one so any side put out against them should be more than capable of getting the job done and its a fair enough assumption to think the manager is able to think the exact same thing.
Pellegrini drops clangers, we all do but on Saturday he was as badly let down as we were by the players.
Mate I completely agree with you. I am not anti Pellegrini far from it. Just looks like a dead man walking to me and like you say , badly let down by his players.
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cleavers said:So because something worked once about 7 years ago, it'll work now ? I wonder how many other football clubs have tried this, and seen it fail since then ?Stephenhakin said:Viera isnt ready to step in? Say's who? Was Pep ready all them years back? Probably not.
Again I have no idea if this would work or not. Again I am NOT anti Pellegrini I just don't want the rags or anyone else taking a champions league place at our expense and the way it is going with current form this could happen.
I thought the effort was there, but the players were well short of confidenceblueinsa said:Stephenhakin said:blueinsa said:You are as am I saying i look forward to your contribution far more when we are back winning again.
Win, lose or draw I'd like to see effort. This is basically what this was all about. Saturday was the least amount of effort I can ever recall seeing from a City side unless you can name another.
Do you think the players have any responsibility for the lack of effort? We weren't given a footballing lesson on Saturday by better players or blown away by a tactical master class. 11 Burnley players just wanted it more and 11 City players, to a man more gifted technically just couldn't be arsed to put in a shift and do what superior teams do and win the game.
Not one of us would swap any of their team for ours, not one so any side put out against them should be more than capable of getting the job done and its a fair enough assumption to think the manager is able to think the exact same thing.
Pellegrini drops clangers, we all do but on Saturday he was as badly let down as we were by the players.
The damage was done in previous games where we should have been buzzing eg Hull at home after drawing at Stamford Bridge. Boro at home in the Cup. At those moments, there should have been no reason for lack of confidence
Now we are going to play ugly. It's bound to be that way. Dig out a result and we might be back in business. But if we can't motivate ourselves to beat Hull at home after going to Chelsea and doing well, then I just can't see us getting anything out of this season
Our attitude has been appalling all season. The CSKA games were just unbelievable. And really this team deserves to be humiliated but the fans don't.