Southampton post match thread

Tactically you also have to question why we reverted back to two upfront, away from home, when playing a weakened side. As you point out that could be due to limited options, partly brought about by having little confidence in the players breaking through at youth level and integrating them into the squad.

this is the key bit we might have the players to win but the tactics give them very little chance of actually winning. I was really annoyed with the chelsea game where we played the kids and then made them play with a man less in midfield
 
daztrueblue91 said:
These players we have will flourish under a manager who can prepare them properly. I cannot stress enough how much Pellegrini is a hindrance on this side. Yet again we come up against a side who like to play with pace and press the ball and we are on the receiving end of a hammering.

You would expect that any manager worth their wage would be able to learn from basic mistakes. It's not like Liverpool, Spurs, Stoke and Arsenal have already beaten, and in most cases thrashed, us this season is it?

So to go away to an inform Southampton, who adopt a similar style, with that game plan is full on negligence. I don't buy all the talk of our squad not being strong. Bony, Delph, Sterling, Nasri, Navas, Kolarov etc were all international players when we signed them, and most of them still are. They are just being mismanaged and misused.

What is even more staggering is that Pellegrini has shown in Europe that he can get it spot on. Sevilla away being a prime example where we were going to come up against a high pressing and fast side. That was the perfect blueprint for all of our PL away games against the fast and direct sides and Bony and Sterling both played a key role in Sevilla away. Yet yesterday there wasn't even a resemblance of that system.

Another think Pellegrini did what didn't make any sense was putting Aguero on the bench. He knew before the game that he wasn't going to play him no matter what so why not put a youngster on the bench instead? Would have made much more sense to bring on Manu Garcia rather than Demichellis.

If this season has shown one thing it is that we have some proper talent in our ranks and we need to be giving them game time. Iheanacho looks twice the player of the £44 million Sterling, Manu Garcia could have easily have had the same impact Delph has had this season and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Denayer out performs Stones next season. We need to give the young lads a chance.
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Top post, man!
 
Madrid rested several players on Saturday, as did Bayern Munich, ahead of the second legs.
But have those players been shite for months and given the ball away for fun everytime they've pulled on a shirt for months on end (Bony Sterling Delph Kolarov...) or did they deserve a go in their teams?
 
Sorry but I was not agreeing with your point, I was enquiring as to whether you knew how long the recommended recovery period is based on all the sports science knowledge that is now available but it would appear that you do not know.

The reason Pellegrini did not start most of the players who will begin the game in Madrid is because they would not be fully recovered.
They have 3 days to recover and this time of the season is game by game,the Southampton was not a game we could gamble with.
 
thanks for an honest answer, you know we all want the same, its just some of us have no confidence in him
What I can't fathom is with a maximum
of 4 games until the end of the season why we can't largely be unchanged especially after plenty of players have missed games recently. I get protecting Kompany and Toure but surely Clichy and Sagna can play the rest of our games. I also can't get why some of these players are not desperately trying to get themselves into the frame for Wednesday with their performances. Nasri aside some won't make the bench but might do had they put in a good performance. The only player who looks like he's trying to get in the team is Nacho.
 
What I can't fathom is with a maximum
of 4 games until the end of the season why we can't largely be unchanged especially after plenty of players have missed games recently. I get protecting Kompany and Toure but surely Clichy and Sagna can play the rest of our games. I also can't get why some of these players are not desperately trying to get themselves into the frame for Wednesday with their performances. Nasri aside some won't make the bench but might do had they put in a good performance.

I understand the scepticism but I felt we looked spent at the end of the real madrid first leg. They are going to have to work very hard on wednesday to have a sniff of a resilt and clearly Pellegrini thinks there isn't enough in the tank of a few players for them to play saturday, tuesday, sunday, wednesday, sunday - don't forget arsenal is a huge game too. My problem with his rotation is the fact that he has two teams rather than bringing one or two players at a time so that over the course of 10 games, everyone gets a couple of games off without the team looking much weaker in any one match. Pellegrini's problem is that the quality falls off a cliff from aguero to bony. Two years ago he had negredo and dzeko, which meant we were still strong even wiout setgio.
 
What I can't fathom is with a maximum
of 4 games until the end of the season why we can't largely be unchanged especially after plenty of players have missed games recently. I get protecting Kompany and Toure but surely Clichy and Sagna can play the rest of our games. I also can't get why some of these players are not desperately trying to get themselves into the frame for Wednesday with their performances. Nasri aside some won't make the bench but might do had they put in a good performance. The only player who looks like he's trying to get in the team is Nacho.




Did you see the aggression from spurs and chelsea tonight either of those teams would have blown us of the park playing with that aggression and intensity. when did our team of warriors vanish. toure kompany, zabaletta, lescott, barry, tevez, de jong, bellamy.

Did they disappear with our last manager.
 
Did you see the aggression from spurs and chelsea tonight either of those teams would have blown us of the park playing with that aggression and intensity. when did our team of warriors vanish. toure kompany, zabaletta, lescott, barry, tevez, de jong, bellamy.

Did they disappear with our last manager.

And Atletico last week. Fcukin fearsome! You get a nano-second on the ball before they bite yer legs.
 
Did you see the aggression from spurs and chelsea tonight either of those teams would have blown us of the park playing with that aggression and intensity. when did our team of warriors vanish. toure kompany, zabaletta, lescott, barry, tevez, de jong, bellamy.

Did they disappear with our last manager.

I saw a Spurs side blow a 2 goal lead.

Imagine the reaction on here if we did that!
 
Did you see the aggression from spurs and chelsea tonight either of those teams would have blown us of the park playing with that aggression and intensity. when did our team of warriors vanish. toure kompany, zabaletta, lescott, barry, tevez, de jong, bellamy.

Did they disappear with our last manager.
No offense but 5 of the 8 you named did disappear
But to your point
It seems to me that teams take on their managers personality in a way
I'm sure that if a player went against or didn't follow the rules under Mancini he had hell to pay
I don't see Pellegrini being that way
Not that there's anything wrong with either
They're just different approaches
 
No offense but 5 of the 8 you named did disappear
But to your point
It seems to me that teams take on their managers personality in a way
I'm sure that if a player went against or didn't follow the rules under Mancini he had hell to pay
I don't see Pellegrini being that way
Not that there's anything wrong with either
They're just different approaches



our managers persona has lost us 10 games up to now which is exactly my point
 
yes the spurs side that took 6 points off us
Well, to be fair they benefited from two outrageously offside goals in one game (when we were the better team in the first half) and an even more ridiculous penalty in the second game.

That's a six points shift, enough to put us level with them, despite our massive injuries and fixture pile up, despite them benefiting from their best ever season, early cup exits and far fewer injuries.

I am as disappointed with our league performances as anyone else, but good to keep some perspective.
 
Well, to be fair they benefited from two outrageously offside goals in one game (when we were the better team in the first half) and an even more ridiculous penalty in the second game.

That's a six points shift, enough to put us level with them, despite our massive injuries and fixture pile up, despite them benefiting from their best ever season, early cup exits and far fewer injuries.

I am as disappointed with our league performances as anyone else, but good to keep some perspective.



i also think we had outrageous decisions go against us in the spurs away game, but back to my point, when have you seen city under pelligrini play with the intense press and aggression both sides did today
 
But why can't we rest players & try to play in a way which perhaps protects our weaknesses & nicks a goal ?

Why do we have to set up like Brazil 1970 but with Kolarov Delph & Bony ? Why not set up like Arsenal under George Graham instead or even Leicester under Ranieri & win 1-0 ?

This is spot on, it's not the resting players, I think everyone understands that it's the fact he won't say ok let's keep this solid stay in the game and try and sneak a win or a draw
That's why I can't hand him the injuries excuse, yep theyre injured so I'm afraid you can't play this fantasy football of all out attack today and win 4-0, make us solid hard to beat and get the ball to the ones on the pitch who can get us a goal as 1-0 will do today
You know all those millions you get paid to manage ? Well FUCKING MANAGE
 
Hart - Done alright
Kolarov - For the fourth time this season, should not play for City again! Fuck off!
Mangala - Unfair to judge playing next to that shithouse at left back.
Otamendi - Unfair to judge playing next to a full back who's legs have gone.
Zabaleta - Legs have gone, time to go.
Delph - Fuck off.
Dinho - Poor game, but had to play next to that fucking liability in midfield.
Sterling - Awful game, worst game for City, never beat his man.
Nasri - Done what he could, just back from injury, everyone alongside him was poor in midfield.
Nacho - Brilliant game, set an example which nobody followed.
Bony - Fuck off. Lazy twat.

Absolutely spot on...
 
You aren't following my reasoning if you think at any point I have advocated forfeiting the Southampton game. As to talk of disrespecting the competition, that I'm afraid is emotional bollocks. We have an expensively assembled squad that is supposed to facilitate rotation; several of the players that started yesterday have previously been keen contributors to us winning the title. Was it disrespectful to field Nacho, a kid who is rightly not yet a regular starter? Was it hell.

Oh and take a look at the team Pep fielded for Bayern on Saturday in a game that could have sealed the title for them cos you are going to find Pep very disrespectful.
"emotional bollocks" ... football is emotion, mate, where you think it's science.

And we're not talking about a little bit of rotation here, we're talking about all key players (Agüero, De Bruyne, Silva, some would even add Yaya, Kompany) being rested at the same time, which makes it a B-team no matter how you look at it.

It is hugely disrespectful, definitely if there's still so much at stake.

I'm not saying you suggested a forfeit, but if you're happy with the manager's decision to field a B-team in a difficult away game like Southampton, then de facto you are agreeing to sacrifice this game and thus to forfeit.

Or did you really think we had even the slightest chance of beating a hungry Southampton side still fighting for Europe playing an out of form, shape and class B-team?

And don't talk about Nacho, you know well he's one of the few exceptions that deserved his spot last weekend.
 

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