Southport | 9 year old girl confirmed as third victim

[bert38]

On top of knife amnesties and a punishment severe enough to deter it, you've got to do something to address why anyone feels the need to carry a knife, too.

And that means tackling gangs and other criminals, making communities safer, giving victims of crime a reasonable shot at justice.

I'm willing to bet that a large number of people who carry knives aren't like this bloke in Southport, they're people who for whatever reason feel they're in danger and that a knife is the best way to defend themselves. Properly effective policing would go a reasonable way in reducing that.

I don't know what you do about evil cunts who just want to hurt and kill people, though.

I refuse to believe that opening the doors of a dance studio during a class on a hot summer day is reckless or risk-taking behaviour. You absolutely should be able to do that.

If the perpetrator has a criminal record then you can argue there may have been opportunities missed to apply a deterrent or address whatever it is in his life or head that he thinks is reason to do this (don't ask me how you address it, I just don't know).

But maybe it's his first crime, or the first he's been arrested for. Especially at such a young age, it's not impossible.

Is there anything that teachers or social services might have been able to do? Does someone who commits atrocities show signs in childhood of who they'll become? Maybe, maybe not.

I don't know what the answer is. It seems to need a concerted effort from multiple agencies and even then you can't completely remove the risk.

One thing, though - this guy should never see the outside of prison for the rest of his life. For some crimes, rehabilitation is possible. Not this, though.

Its a huge topic-but one thing, I believe that by the time a youth has come to the attention of the police for a serious matter such as carrying weapons in public, its often already too late-the intervention/causes have to be addressed beforehand, punishment only achieves so much.

 

[Keeper!]

Its a huge topic-but one thing, I believe that by the time a youth has come to the attention of the police for a serious matter such as carrying weapons in public, its often already too late-the intervention/causes have to be addressed beforehand, punishment only achieves so much.

Knife crime has become too acceptable, just like shoplifting has.

Once what seemed like petty crimes are acceptable they become rampant and out of control.

 

[bert38]

Knife crime has become too acceptable, just like shoplifting has.

Once what seemed like petty crimes are acceptable they become rampant and out of control.

I think the general public would be horrified at the number of juveniles coming into custody with weapons secreted on them. Its a huge, growing problem. The solution is very complex too.

 

[smeeagain]

All the eyewitnesses and yet nobody has a description of the attacker , seems very odd ,as if it’s being censored for some reason ,obviously then we have speculation .
I’d bet there has been eyewitness descriptions which have not been broadcast

 

[GortonBlue62]

With all due respect, and as much as I agree with you here - if this happens on Bluemoon so often that you can spot the "depressingly predictable" signs then why aren't these users being banned from the forum? Or at least being banned from viewing Off Topic? You have ultimate control over what happens to them. I've been here long enough to remember when this forum had a good mix of informed opinions on all things but since the mid-2010s the number of ill-informed right-wing posters has started to outweigh the number of posters from other parts of the political spectrum. Right-wing posters, much as I loathe their views, are allowed to have a space on here, but there's a big difference between the two types of right-wing posters you find in these thread and it's the ill-informed who drag this place down and make it a chore to read sometimes.

You can see in this thread (and in others) that the anti-immigration beliefs these users hold aren't really the problem, it's that they dive into these discussions bereft of facts but full of fury. This is a murder case involving someone born in Cardiff but the discussion has descended into the usual back and forth over the pros and cons of immigration and the apparently sinister intentions of "woke culture". The rest of us, including the moderators, then have to waste time hosing the forum down after they've sprayed shit all over it. These posters bring the quality of discussion down by arriving at conclusions that are miles wide of the mark and creating tangent after tangent. As I write this, there are 532 posts in this thread and I'd imagine at least 200 of them are made up of the same pattern: 1) ill-informed right-wing poster arrives at some mad point that's not relevant to the thread, 2) everyone else has to debunk what they've said.

It'd save everyone the bother if the usual suspects were identified and prevented from spoiling almost every discussion we have on cases like this.

When you say 'spoling almost every discussion', I think you meant disagreeing with your view of a situation.

I'm guessing you're not a big fan of free speech?

 

[Drewmanc]

I think the general public would be horrified at the number of juveniles coming into custody with weapons secreted on them. Its a huge, growing problem. The solution is very complex too.

Just a question to you, what is being discussed by fellow officers/law makers to rectify this situation or the ideas being floated around. I'm privy to threat information in my job and on a specialist team for when incidents happen - I'm on leave or I'd have been there yesterday.

 

[west didsblue]

All the eyewitnesses and yet nobody has a description of the attacker , seems very odd ,as if it’s being censored for some reason ,obviously then we have speculation .
I’d bet there has been eyewitness descriptions which have not been broadcast

He had a mask on. Doorbell footage of him leaving a house in Banks was shown on the news. Difficult to get a description of a hooded masked attacker.

 

[bert38]

All the eyewitnesses and yet nobody has a description of the attacker , seems very odd ,as if it’s being censored for some reason ,obviously then we have speculation .
I’d bet there has been eyewitness descriptions which have not been broadcast

he's been arrested -there is no value in realising a description..

 

[Keeper!]

I think the general public would be horrified at the number of juveniles coming into custody with weapons secreted on them. Its a huge, growing problem. The solution is very complex too.

The solution is a problem when you have no police on the ground and no room in prisons.

As said the cost of drastic public spending cuts as we witnessed before in the 80s.

In the 90s there was a serious crackdown on crime and we witnessed a big drop in crime.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

All the eyewitnesses and yet nobody has a description of the attacker , seems very odd ,as if it’s being censored for some reason ,obviously then we have speculation .
I’d bet there has been eyewitness descriptions which have not been broadcast

He's under-18 in an active criminal investigation which triggers a lot reporting restrictions.