Southport | 9 year old girl confirmed as third victim

[remember arthur mann]

They don't want to fix it.

People sound surprised, it's not as though we didn't expect it.

 

[bert38]

I wouldn't trust the intelligence services to look after a cat half the time

Plenty if attacks have been committed by people who were on a "watch list"

There are hundreds and hundreds on watch lists-they cannot be watched 24/7.

But the police have not said either way-it’s just noise on twatter.

 

[stan bowles]

What we need is a UK national headcount, The Government need to have a system where everybody has to have ID cards and have to carry it, STOP all these bollocks of its Big Brother watching, We need to get hold of our country

Enough is Enough, if you are legally allowed to be here fine, but if not you are gone and sent back.

The person arrested is originally from Cardiff.

 

[BlueHammer85]

six are in a critical condition. So could hear more.
There will be plenty of anger and possibly racial tension on this one.
Very sad and depressing.

 

[ProofMCFC]

As a collective we are so weak, remember when we sung don’t look back in anger after a kids concert concert was blown up…madness

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

I can’t comprehend it. Jesus Christ, the arena attack I did eventually because it was a wide scale attack.

This though, some 17 year old kid decision to take the lives of kids probably only several years younger than him?

I cannot get my head how someone wakes up and decides to do that.

May the parents of the deceased be looked after and have everything they need to recover. If that’s possible.

Thoughts, well wishes and just everything with those fighting for their lives.

For the attacker? May you rot. Coward.

 

[Bluemanc100]

It's odd

For me, any attack of this sort is an act of terrorism, regardless of who carries it out.

I guess what they mean it's not carried out by someone liked to a terrorist group, and how would they know that just hours after the incident? You would need to do some real digging to find out if they are linked to terrorism. There's no way you could conclude that in hours. You would need to check any technological devices they have, recover any deleted information, check who they associate with etc.

There's no way that can be determined within hours

Exactly so why the f*ck do they persist with the comment every time.... They're shit scared of calling it out when it is that's why

 

[Drewmanc]

Terrorism is defined as violence with a political purpose.

A mentally ill person who believes he has been sent messages by god, or someone who thinks thinks he has a pact with the devil and killing people will increase his chances of winning the lottery are not terrorist attacks.

I'd deem any devout religious person as possibly mentally ill, seems MH issues are on the rise quicker than we thought in the UK.

If it is and not just an easy get out.

 

[Crooked_rain]

There are hundreds and hundreds on watch lists-they cannot be watched 24/7.

But the police have not said either way-it’s just noise on twatter.

That wasn't really my point anyway

My point is there's no way terrorism can be ruled out within hours without digital forensics. So I don't believe the police should say it publicly.

As I said, it seems easier for them to just decide its not terror related and work backwards from there, rather than be honest and say they're investigating the possibility.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Just watching this in Southport on the news two children dead and six children in a critical condition my god how has this happened :( that a 17yr old has gone and done this. He’s in custody thankfully the police have an awful job to do. Very brave to go in and face him.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It’s wider than that but it’s incredibly early in the investigation-I doubt he’s remotely close to being interviewed-it’ll prob be tomorrow. Facts/evidence may emerge that means he is then rearrested under TACT (which then gives them 2 weeks to deal).

I was commenting on the general point that some people wanted to go down, not the specifics of this case. As you highlight, we don't know enough about that.

 

[Stephen230]

The person arrested is originally from Cardiff.

Where has this come from?

 

[bert38]

Exactly so why the f*ck do they persist with the comment every time.... They're shit scared of calling it out when it is that's why

They aren’t.

Police have stated ‘we are not treating it as terrorism at this point’

Is that too difficult to grasp?

The investigation is in its infancy. Police don’t investigate these matters with knee-jerk reactions to appease the public. It has to be done correctly and it will be.

 

[PinkFinal]

I don't know why inceldom isn't classified as terrorism
Which this could be

If they can't name him or even his origin the shit stirrers will just be at it ad infinitum

Fox actually named someone on X

 

[MCFCTrick]

Yup. ''Mental issues''.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Fair enough

But I still don't believe they can conclude that in hours. You would need to do digital forensics and whatnot to rule it out.

Probably easier to just say it's not terror related and work backwards. Suits them to do that.

It's cowardice, I'd rather they said nothing at all until they know what the motive was.... Somebody needs to call it out when it is based on political motives or religious ideology but do they?

 

[Aphex]

It's truly awful what has happened here.

 

[bert38]

That wasn't really my point anyway

My point is there's no way terrorism can be ruled out within hours without digital forensics. So I don't believe the police should say it publicly.

As I said, it seems easier for them to just decide its not terror related and work backwards from there, rather than be honest and say they're investigating the possibility.

They haven’t ruled it out though-they have just said ‘we are not treating it as terrorism at this point’

The CC also said officers are working with counter terrorism officers-which is standard.

This is a dynamic investigation.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I'd deem any devout religious person as possibly mentally ill, seems MH issues are on the rise quicker than we thought in the UK.

If it is and not just an easy get out.

That's for another thread. Religion isn't usually the root cause if those delusions, People that are prone to psychotic delusions and not religious just replace god with aliens, secret agents, Illuminati etc.

 

[super_city_si]

Sky News reporting Merseyside Police confirming 2 children dead, 9 injured, 6 of them in a critical condition.

Just sickening. Those poor kids and their families.