Spurs’ new stadium

[cheekybids]

Yes, yes, yes! Indeed, something major did go wrong!

It was the wiring systems which all have to be integrated. If, as in this case, there has been a major cockup, then it is one hell of a job to identify it and rectify it. That has now finally been done and the club are in the process of carrying out all tests. However, they need to stage two public test events of increasing capacity before they can gain the necessary safety certificate and, unfortunately, because of the Christmas schedule and scarcity of police over the period, these test events cannot be held until the new year. Otherwise, the Utd game would have been the first proper game at the new stadium,.

From Spurs plans it takes 12 months to build stadium from start to finish yet a wiring issue can’t be resolved in 6 months. Sounds legit.....

It might be straight up honest or it might be that Levy is involved in a project that is beyond his capability.

The issue is at that level & with so many stakeholders impacted you can’t just shrug your shoulders & say I don’t know, mistakes aren’t easily forgiven. Of course Spurs are the most disadvantaged, that’s clear but they are also going to be the major beneficiaries of the stadium.

Explain what the advantages once completed for Man City fans compared to the loss of money each fan incurred. Then maybe consider others that were are / impacted.

 

[Crouchinho]

^^^

^^ clarkie on tour ;)

 

[Gordyola]

Here we go again!

Fellas, I know that you find it difficult to believe, but Spurs genuinely proposed to open the stadium on 15th September. There was no conspiracy. No intention to deceive the Premier League. There is no possible advantage that Spurs could have gained from the dishonesty that you claim. The delay has cost them hugely. If they had known what you claim they knew, they would have been far better off deciding to play at Wembley from the outset - not least because they could have completed the stadium at leisure from the outset and not spent millions on thousands of overtime hours. The conspiracy theory makes no sense at all. I fear that your dislike of Spurs is clouding your judgement.

And Gordyola, I think you have misunderstood that roof article. It doesn't say that the roof was "never going to be ready" in time. Rather, it's an article which correctly makes the point that the cable net roof design meant that work on the roof couldn't be started until the entire stadium structure was built - relevant in this instance because work on two fifths of the stadium site couldn't even begin until mid May 2017, after Spurs played their final game at the old stadium. As it was, and as the MACE representative claimed in the article, the roof was indeed substantially complete by the end of August.

Thank you Daniel for taking time-out from burying time capsules to give us the propaganda update

And this is the key "after it estimated the original proposal for a cable net design would mean a completion date of December 2018" So they knew the roof wouldn't be complete yet they claimed the stadium could open in September Yes it might be "substantially complete by end of August" But its very doubtful that an event license would be granted unless the roof was complete, the facts back this up Spurs are still playing at Wembley

 

[JPBB]

Thank you Daniel for taking time-out from burying time capsules to give us the propaganda update

And this is the key "after it estimated the original proposal for a cable net design would mean a completion date of December 2018" So they knew the roof wouldn't be complete yet they claimed the stadium could open in September Yes it might be "substantially complete by end of August" But its very doubtful that an event license would be granted unless the roof was complete, the facts back this up Spurs are still playing at Wembley

I ask again. So what?

This effects no one other than Spurs. Spurs haven't lied (despite the rather outlandish claims made by some) The disruption to other clubs has been minimal. Yes - the City fixture was moved to Monday. Yes. there could have been more notice. But it was well within the bounds of "reasonable notice". Other than that, who else has suffered?

The suggestion from some on here Spurs should be punished because they will have some sort of unfair advantage that other clubs don't have is... well ... surprising.

The best analysis has been from those that say they don't care about the reality. It is an opportunity to fuck Spurs up just because it is Spurs. And if it was Arsenal, Chelsea, or West Ham I'd be right there with you.

 

[cheekybids]

I ask again. So what?

This effects no one other than Spurs. Spurs haven't lied (despite the rather outlandish claims made by some) The disruption to other clubs has been minimal. Yes - the City fixture was moved to Monday. Yes. there could have been more notice. But it was well within the bounds of "reasonable notice". Other than that, who else has suffered?

The suggestion from some on here Spurs should be punished because they will have some sort of unfair advantage that other clubs don't have is... well ... surprising.

The best analysis has been from those that say they don't care about the reality. It is an opportunity to fuck Spurs up just because it is Spurs. And if it was Arsenal, Chelsea, or West Ham I'd be right there with you.

The timing wasn’t reasonable because ordinary working class fans were inconvenienced & out of pocket.

City picked up the tab for coaches, Spurs didn’t. Why should this be forgiven when the facts don’t back it up. I don’t give a shit about extra punishment nor do I have sympathy for those Spurs fans who are being robbed by their own.

 

[Gordyola]

I ask again. So what?

This effects no one other than Spurs. Spurs haven't lied (despite the rather outlandish claims made by some) The disruption to other clubs has been minimal. Yes - the City fixture was moved to Monday. Yes. there could have been more notice. But it was well within the bounds of "reasonable notice". Other than that, who else has suffered?

The suggestion from some on here Spurs should be punished because they will have some sort of unfair advantage that other clubs don't have is... well ... surprising.

The best analysis has been from those that say they don't care about the reality. It is an opportunity to fuck Spurs up just because it is Spurs. And if it was Arsenal, Chelsea, or West Ham I'd be right there with you.

You just don't get it do you?

Most on here are pissed that ORDINARY City fans were inconvenienced due to Spurs mismanagement of the stadium build, we have suspicions that Spurs have not told the whole truth as well. The fact is the PL have bent over backwards to help Spurs and really it's getting to the point now where Spurs should be made to play the season at Wembley not as a punishment but to safeguard the integrity of the competition. Personally, I don't think there is any need to punish Spurs but the PL should order that any fans who have a fair claim for compensation, due to this fiasco, should be refunded. Manchester City FC should have the compensation and the cost of the travel they provided refunded.

 

[Gordyola]

I ask again. So what?

This effects no one other than Spurs. Spurs haven't lied (despite the rather outlandish claims made by some) The disruption to other clubs has been minimal. Yes - the City fixture was moved to Monday. Yes. there could have been more notice. But it was well within the bounds of "reasonable notice". Other than that, who else has suffered?

The suggestion from some on here Spurs should be punished because they will have some sort of unfair advantage that other clubs don't have is... well ... surprising.

The best analysis has been from those that say they don't care about the reality. It is an opportunity to fuck Spurs up just because it is Spurs. And if it was Arsenal, Chelsea, or West Ham I'd be right there with you.

Well City had to have other fixtures rearranged to accommodate moving to Monday the knock on effect was other Fulham and Southampton and their fans had to rearrange and loose out . Also if I recall correctly then Bournemouth v Manu was change to Saturday

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Well City had to have other fixtures rearranged to accommodate moving to Monday the knock on effect was other Fulham and Southampton and their fans had to rearrange and loose out . Also if I recall correctly then Bournemouth v Manu was change to Saturday

Spot on. City's change to Monday did have that knock on effect and I think it was United v Everton that was then switched from the Monday to Saturday after fans of both clubs had bought train tickets etc.

 

[JPBB]

Yes. Inconvenient. And perhaps some fans might have a small claim against Spurs. And it is terrible for the Spurs brand. But to say it destroys the integrity of the competition is ludicrous. We accept fixtures being changed for TV. No one says that destroys the integrity of the competition.

 

[aguero93:20]

Yes. Inconvenient. And perhaps some fans might have a small claim against Spurs. And it is terrible for the Spurs brand. But to say it destroys the integrity of the competition is ludicrous. We accept fixtures being changed for TV. No one says that destroys the integrity of the competition.

It destroys the integrity of the competition if half your opponents play you at Wembley and the other half at WHL, you're supposed to have one home ground for all your league games.

 

[KentBlue]

We accept fixtures being changed for TV. No one says that destroys the integrity of the competition.

We all know in advance this is going to happen. Not exact dates, obviously, but we know there will be some alterations to the schedule because of TV and others. But with us it was all last-minute and caused a lot of inconvenience to both the clubs and our fans.

 

[JPBB]

It seems to me that you have three arguments - one that a small number of fans deserve a small amount of compensation from Spurs for the late change. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. I guess that is a decision for a judge but it does not destroy the integrity of the competition. It is just a bit shabby.

The second argument is that if Spurs play 6 games at Wembley, it is ok, but if they play, for instance, 10 games at Wembley, it destroys the integrity of the competition. Why? What is the difference?

The third argument is that Spurs misrepresented the status of the stadium build and lied to the Premier League. It is simply untrue. In other threads people would be censured for that type unfounded accusation.

 

[cheekybids]

It seems to me that you have three arguments - one that a small number of fans deserve a small amount of compensation from Spurs for the late change. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. I guess that is a decision for a judge but it does not destroy the integrity of the competition. It is just a bit shabby.

The second argument is that if Spurs play 6 games at Wembley, it is ok, but if they play, for instance, 10 games at Wembley, it destroys the integrity of the competition. Why? What is the difference?

The third argument is that Spurs misrepresented the status of the stadium build and lied to the Premier League. It is simply untrue. In other threads people would be censured for that type unfounded accusation. [\QUOTE]

Thankfully City came through the debacle unscathed but had we lost having lost by having games rearranged together we’d be pissed.

Thankfully City don’t treat their fans like shit & put coaches on.

However you deserve all the shit that goes your way & you’ll get no sympathy from Levy, he’ll not give a shit about you. Traditionally. Clubs struggle for a few years once they move. It’s going to be fun

 

[aguero93:20]

The second argument is that if Spurs play 6 games at Wembley, it is ok, but if they play, for instance, 10 games at Wembley, it destroys the integrity of the competition. Why? What is the difference?

A misrepresentation of my argument. The rules say all 19 home games at one stadium. So 1 game in Wembley means 19 games in Wembley.

 

[DTKOAG]

I wonder if the builders will have the next 2 weeks off like half the country.

 

[Pell]

I doubt they're going to play a game in it until next season.

 

[JimB]

From Spurs plans it takes 12 months to build stadium from start to finish yet a wiring issue can’t be resolved in 6 months. Sounds legit.....

It might be straight up honest or it might be that Levy is involved in a project that is beyond his capability.

The issue is at that level & with so many stakeholders impacted you can’t just shrug your shoulders & say I don’t know, mistakes aren’t easily forgiven. Of course Spurs are the most disadvantaged, that’s clear but they are also going to be the major beneficiaries of the stadium.

Explain what the advantages once completed for Man City fans compared to the loss of money each fan incurred. Then maybe consider others that were are / impacted.

The southern end of the stadium build was scheduled to take 16 months to a state of readiness and a further few months to complete. The following, from someone close to the project, explains what has happened and why it has taken 4 months (not 6) to rectify.

The problem wasn't absence of power - it was sequencing and anti-spiking in the critical systems used in an emergency/evacuation. And also this was discovered by the contractors themselves when one of the later installations was underway, long after basic power supply had been established as operational. It was the clerk of works who called a halt at that point, as it is his duty to do.

There is so much rubbish being circulated. I can understand criticism of the club for having run with a commercial strategy long before it was prudent to do so. And I can also understand how and why the remedial work required has forced the club and the principal contractor into a virtual clamp-down on any information regarding the remedial work entering the public domain. But I can't for the life of me understand why people feel the need to invent fantastical theories regarding the root causes - they are in fact rather mundane, by no means unusual, and frustrating as the delay may be for everyone rather routine to fix, if a little painstaking and very time-consuming.

 

[JimB]

Thank you Daniel for taking time-out from burying time capsules to give us the propaganda update

And this is the key "after it estimated the original proposal for a cable net design would mean a completion date of December 2018" So they knew the roof wouldn't be complete yet they claimed the stadium could open in September Yes it might be "substantially complete by end of August" But its very doubtful that an event license would be granted unless the roof was complete, the facts back this up Spurs are still playing at Wembley

And thank you for the logical fallacy!

As to your reading of that article, once again I am afraid that you have misunderstood. The completion date to which the article refers wasn't for the roof but for the stadium as a whole. And as to your claim that the roof would have to be complete to the last lick of paint before the stadium could be used, I can only refer back to the myriad stand redevelopments at English stadia over the years. There are many examples of fans being housed in partially completed stands with partially completed roofs.

 

[JimB]

It destroys the integrity of the competition if half your opponents play you at Wembley and the other half at WHL, you're supposed to have one home ground for all your league games.

I don't buy this argument.

There are so many, far more meaningful ways in which the integrity of the Premier League is compromised - refereeing inconsistencies; the vast gulf in budget between the richest six clubs and the remainder; the sometimes questionable scheduling of games; the loan system.....

Thus far, the only games in which Spurs have dropped points at Wembley - vs Liverpool and City - are games which, given their ordinary form at the time, they might have been expected to lose regardless which stadium had been in use. And since I really can't see any club other than City or Liverpool challenging for the title, they've both been equally advantaged / disadvantaged by playing at Wembley.

 

[JimB]

I wonder if the builders will have the next 2 weeks off like half the country.

Most of the builders will, I imagine. But those involved in testing the critical systems will apparently be working through the holiday period.