Spurs (H) Post Match Thread

simon23 said:
the ball came off laporte and went straight to GJ hence it was disallowed because ball changed diretion and went to GJ and he socred....its deemed as a pass

is th rule wrong - yes, but by the rule in its present form its the correct decision.
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No it's not, the current rule states that a goal is disallowed if the ball hits a players hand and goes directly from that player into the net or the player controls or gains possession of the ball via an accidental handball and then either scores or assists a goal (I.e. the ball hits a players hand, drops to his feet and he then scores or passes it to a teammate). The ball vaguely brushing a players arm is neither controlling (palming the ball into another players path for example) or gaining possession (Henry v Ireland for example) so it was the wrong decision.
The only decision that VAR has got right in its current guise when taking into account the technical limitations of the system is the penalty retake against West Ham and I'm not even sure VAR awarded that as that should be something the linesman spots easily.
This whole if it touches an attackers hand then it's automatically a handball is the dumbed down tabloid version of the rules not the actual rules of the game as laid out by FIFA.
Ergo VAR is not fit for purpose in it's current state.
 
simon23 said:
Id be pissed off if that was given as a penalty for anyone.....there is no way that contact means the player falls over...its the stuff that Salah does all the time and we all hate so no way i want a penalty for that

now the first on rodri is definitely a penalty in my eyes
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I'd say that one was 50/50 these days but stuff like that should be given whether Laporte goes over easily or stays on his feet. Grabbing hold of a player so they can't get to a ball coming into the box isn't a legitimate part of football and is what VAR should be stopping, whether the player goes over easily is irrelevant he's being pulled back illegally and should be a penalty.
 
blue moony said:
Ok so if you are saying its the correct decision then what about the fact Laporte has his arm pulled seconds before ! And the ball hits him because of this ?

Who’s being selective now
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it doesnt matter whether Laporte was having his arm pulled moments before...that happens at corners etc all the time and sometimes a foul is give, sometimes not...it hits his arm and we gain an advantage (not deliberate but an advantage non the less) - the rule is really clear (but i believe for the sake of the game it does need to be changed as in this incident and ones in the future it will spoil the game)
 
simon23 said:
it doesnt matter whether Laporte was having his arm pulled moments before...that happens at corners etc all the time and sometimes a foul is give, sometimes not...it hits his arm and we gain an advantage (not deliberate but an advantage non the less) - the rule is really clear (but i believe for the sake of the game it does need to be changed as in this incident and ones in the future it will spoil the game)
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Course it matters It’s the reason the ball Hits his arm , you can’t be so selective !

See the whole reason it stinks !

And your now a bore
 
danielwood5 said:
No it's not, the current rule states that a goal is disallowed if the ball hits a players hand and goes directly from that player into the net or the player controls or gains possession of the ball via an accidental handball and then either scores or assists a goal (I.e. the ball hits a players hand, drops to his feet and he then scores or passes it to a teammate). The ball vaguely brushing a players arm is neither controlling (palming the ball into another players path for example) or gaining possession (Henry v Ireland for example) so it was the wrong decision.
The only decision that VAR has got right in its current guise when taking into account the technical limitations of the system is the penalty retake against West Ham and I'm not even sure VAR awarded that as that should be something the linesman spots easily.
This whole if it touches an attackers hand then it's automatically a handball is the dumbed down tabloid version of the rules not the actual rules of the game as laid out by FIFA.
Ergo VAR is not fit for purpose in it's current state.
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two different arguments there...

1. the rule is wrong - yes i fully agree.
2. interpitation of the present rule....the ball via the arm of laporte goes to our player - we therefore have gained an advantage due to a handball and in the build up to the goal (which is the key bit) and we gained possession from it

VAr also got the Jesus one right vs west ham - albeit by millimetres sterling was offisde int he build up before he passed to jesus - he was offisde therefore correct....
as you said it also got the penalty retake right - because rice cleared the ball...if he hadnt touched the ball it and a city player had got to it and missed it wouldnt have been retaken but if the city player had got to it and scored then if that player had encroached as well (and i belive the nearest one had done at the same time as Rice) it would hve hd to be retaken
 
I thought that, amongst other things, Oliver had clearly bought into the 'tactical foul' agenda and went straight in and booked Sterling for his first and probably only foul. Not sure how it was any more or less tactical than the three man tag team that took Bernardo out as he skipped round, through and past them only to be bizarrely penalised under the new "City shall not take the piss" rules. Other than that, and the missed penalty, I thought he was fairly shite!
 
blue moony said:
Course it matters It’s the reason the ball Hits his arm , you can’t be so selective !

See the whole reason it stinks !

And your now a bore
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The pull on the arm was well before the hand ball, it was when he started his run. His whole movement to head it was not infringed by that pull and the pull wasn’t enough for a penalty.
 
blue moony said:
Course it matters It’s the reason the ball Hits his arm , you can’t be so selective !

See the whole reason it stinks !

And your now a bore
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No both players arms are out wide - it doesnt matter whether you like it or not or whether its boring or not the fact is it was the correct decision - very few peopkle are arguing about the fact that the deciion was correct by the laws of the game - they are arguing that the law itself is wrong and a ompletely non deliberate minor infraction shouldnt go punished - which i agree with...but the law has been changed (presumeably to make it easier) to saw whether its deliberate or accidental its still handball
 
danielwood5 said:
I'd say that one was 50/50 these days but stuff like that should be given whether Laporte goes over easily or stays on his feet. Grabbing hold of a player so they can't get to a ball coming into the box isn't a legitimate part of football and is what VAR should be stopping, whether the player goes over easily is irrelevant he's being pulled back illegally and should be a penalty.
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I can see your point but the counter to it is that football should be a physical game...should a player lose his feet and throw himself to the ground like Salah does on multuple occasions just cause someone touches his/slightly grabs his arm????? I dont think thats justifiable reason to fall over....however what you hear a lot of nowadays (though i completely disagree with it) is the omment that if the player feels contact he is "entitled to go over" - to me that is just plain wrong.
 
Bozzie said:
I thought that, amongst other things, Oliver had clearly bought into the 'tactical foul' agenda and went straight in and booked Sterling for his first and probably only foul. Not sure how it was any more or less tactical than the three man tag team that took Bernardo out as he skipped round, through and past them only to be bizarrely penalised under the new "City shall not take the piss" rules. Other than that, and the missed penalty, I thought he was fairly shite!
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My favourite moment is when Kev was running through the Spurs defence and one of there CBs (can’t remember which) simply slid in to stop him from breaking on goal and Eriksen and Kane went straight to the ref to say it wasn’t a tactical foul, and Oliver agreed, producing no card.

By the way, Spurs only had 4 fouls... 4!

He was letting a lot go for them.
 
simon23 said:
No both players arms are out wide - it doesnt matter whether you like it or not or whether its boring or not the fact is it was the correct decision - very few peopkle are arguing about the fact that the deciion was correct by the laws of the game - they are arguing that the law itself is wrong and a ompletely non deliberate minor infraction shouldnt go punished - which i agree with...but the law has been changed (presumeably to make it easier) to saw whether its deliberate or accidental its still handball
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So the deflection off Laporte created a goalscoring opportunity ?

Jesus didn't run inside & smash the ball through 5 defenders to create it ?
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
The pull on the arm was well before the hand ball, it was when he started his run. His whole movement to head it was not infringed by that pull and the pull wasn’t enough for a penalty.
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Correct.

Unfortunately, we will be seeing defenders trying to pull attackers’ arms toward the ball in the penalty are on corners/freekicks now, though. It will rarely come off but they will do it knowing the current interpretation of the rule means any contact will see any resulting goal chalked off.
 
How we let this shower keep getting results against us is a puzzlement. Defenders, keeper, all seem to forget their jobs during spurs 2 or 3 forays out of their own half.

Got to take chances. I’m still more annoyed about the wastefulness, var is just the cherry on top.
 
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