Star Wars VII

Yaya_Tony said:
The Phantom Menace I'll happily agree with. That was shite. Attack of the clones and revenge of the sith were both excellent. Both better than return of the jedi and empire strikes back. My opinion.
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And some people think Steps are better musically then The Beatles or that Transformers is better than the Godfather.

Those people are also extremely wrong. You seem to be under the assumption that all film is subjective when it's not, there's an objective quality to the craft of filmmaking and on a purely technical level let alone on a scripting or editing level, the prequels weren't just bad films compared to literally two of the most celebrated sequels of all time, but they are just bad films overall.
 
Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the sith are three of the worst films I've ever seen. Shocking scripts, full of pathetic CGI rather than focusing on any emotion or what drives Anakin to be evil.

It's compounded with a shocking fight scene at the end of every film. Darth Maul with his convenient double saber that helps to fend off two enemies.

Yoda goes from wise old owl to a fucking gymnast.

The last one is the worst. Anakin basically spins his lightsaber before jumping stupidly and getting his legs cut off. To then make it even worse, he gets burnt by lava and somehow is okay enough to be saved.
 
Damocles said:
The l;ast battle was pointless because it was essentially an admission that Lucas didn't know how to get from point B to C. There's absolutely no reason at ll for it to go on for that long, no reason for the ridiculous theatrics and set pieces and nothing behind it.

The difference between the prequels and the original trilogy is that in the OT lightsaber duels weren't about lightsabers, they were a necessary part of the story which happened to manifest itself as a duel because it helped tell the tale the scene was supposed to tell. In the prequel trilogy lightsaber duels are acrobatic CGI messes that fanboys can masturbate over and have literally no bearing on the story and aren't necessary.

This is a lightsaber duel that has a meaning behind every action, the first meeting of father and son as he tests him out both in skill and in determination



This is just fucking shite because there's nothing that is necessary to be said and the fight doesn't have an ultimate point but to get Anakin into the Vader suit:

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Nah, not having it.

If Lucas could have visualised the fight scenes in TESB to a better speed and skill, 100% he would have done! I'm sure I read that Hamill was a poor student of stunt work and Lucas had to make do and, thus, makes Luke vs Darth look like Jedi baby steps and not a confident Jedi fighter. This was not intended by Lucas as you can tell by later 'modern' films.

Whilst I agree that most of the other fights are just to fight, that is the way of battle. Sometimes to make a point, sometimes just to fight. Not all fights have to have purpose other than just to strike a blow.
 
Bigga said:
Nah, not having it.

If Lucas could have visualised the fight scenes in TESB to a better speed and skill, 100% he would have done! I'm sure I read that Hamill was a poor student of stunt work and Lucas had to make do and, thus, makes Luke vs Darth look like Jedi baby steps and not a confident Jedi fighter. This was not intended by Lucas as you can tell by later 'modern' films.
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Lucas didn't direct Empire. That's why it's so good.
 
Yaya_Tony said:
Nah! I enjoyed the prequels, thought they gave clarity to the originals. Bear in mind I was only born in '84.
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I was just messing mate, its fair enough, thats your opinion, at least you've given reasons. The first three effected my life hugely, I had all the figures etc, my and my mates just loved those films. The prequels didnt stand a chance really, still they are to the first 3 what Godfather III was to Godfather I and II IMO

One of the things that bugs me, is the changes to the originals, some are ok and I understand it was so Lucas could have more what he imagined with technology advances but the 2 big mistakes are in Jedi, the NOOOOOOOO when Vadar wangs the Emperor down the death star as Damo said, turning one of the ultimate badasses into a comedy figure, for no reason or added value. Also the very end the vision Luke has, why have Haden Christianson in there and not Euan McGregor? You either have the 3 masters in their prime or you have them when they died, not a mismash of old yoda, Alec Guinness and HC. It bugged me at the time, as you can tell, still bugs me now.
 
But yeah, I agree. The dialogue in the prequels is comical. The love scenes in particular are like a first year student film. It reminded me of The Room. He thinks that having the characters telling each other that they're in love is going to make the audience buy it. And yet there's literally no chemistry between them at all.

And I agree with Damocles about the fight scenes. The best fight scene in history for me was this one from Game of Thrones.



It's visually impressive with great choreography, but that's not why it's the best. It's the best because it's the culmination of two separate stories that have been set up over an entire season of TV (arguably longer in the case of Tyrion). It's the best because of the role it plays in the story. The Star Wars prequels have so many action sequences that serve absolutely no purpose to the plot. In fact the plot has obviously deliberately been written around "impressive" looking actions sequences. "Boba Fett's a popular character. We've got to have a scene where he fights a jedi."
 
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