blueinsa said:Damocles said:
That is a dog! Magnificent animal.
You would have to name him Nige though ;-)
Actually, he's called Teflon, after the Teflon Don because I lost a bet to my "propa gangsta" nephew.
blueinsa said:Damocles said:
That is a dog! Magnificent animal.
You would have to name him Nige though ;-)
Damocles said:blueinsa said:That is a dog! Magnificent animal.
You would have to name him Nige though ;-)
Actually, he's called Teflon, after the Teflon Don because I lost a bet to my "propa gangsta" nephew.
Damocles said:BillyShears said:And this is where my faith in Mancini has evaporated. If the players are struggling with the system, he should've adapted it, because that's his job as manager. Just sitting back and berating them for not being good enough, isn't IMO good management.
As I say, he will be as aware of it as us, but frustratingly for us, he's the only one who gets to see what he does to remedy it on the training pitch!
Here's my analogy on Mancini's problem for you:
I have a 2 dogs, one of which is called Teflon, who is a bull mastiff. He looks a bit like this:
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Now, Teflon is a big dog and as a puppy, he needs regular exercise. Near me, I have a choice of two places to take him out to when I go running; one is a pretty open field next to a river and a motorway, another one is a pretty narrow nature reserve path with fences every few hundred metres. The field is pretty wide open, and we could both run for miles there without major interruption whilst the nature reserve is more secure.
At first, I started to take him to the nature reserve. He was only a puppy and he wasn't yet aware how to behave properly. He couldn't really stretch his legs for a prolonged period of time but I enjoyed the safety of not having to worry about him attacking/getting attacked/running away, etc. Everything was fenced off, and it was nice and safe.
After a while, both of us were getting to the fence without really pushing ourselves too hard and he was starting to misbehave a little bit. I mean, this went against all logic, why was he misbehaving when he was put in such a safe and secure environment; one that was pretty much suited to his needs?
The answer is in the question.
I had to learn to take him to the big field instead. Yes, he might jump in the fast flowing river and die. Yes, he might jump onto the motorway and get hit by a huge truck, but the decision has to be his. I refused to put my trust in him until it started to affect his performance when running. Only then did I realise that.
However, this time in the nature reserve taught him that he needs to run beside me, and taught him of the dangers of normal life. If I would have put him straight on the big field, he would have died because he's a bit of a balloon, and wouldn't have known how to handle it.
The key to everything is balance.
One day, Mancini will release the hounds, so to speak but only when he feels that they are ready. I personally feel that with much of our team regaining its fitness over the international break, we should start getting a bit more adventurous, movement wise, but I don't speak to them every day and don't have a complex understanding of their tactical awareness. I do think that we've become a bit more forward looking in the last couple of games.
Either way, my main point is that it's too early to judge anything and if you are judging the performances of the first season players and the first season coach now, you better have some extraordinary evidence or arguments to back this up, better than "omg he's Italian"
EDIT: That last part wasn't directed at you Billy, you know that I highly respect your arguments and opinions on football :)
BillyShears said:We talk a lot about Mou on Bluemoon. Here's some food for though, it's just my opinion, but I believe that Madrid began the season playing as we're playing now (little movement, an over reliance on a piece of magic to score a goal, playing at a slow tempo too often), however as the season has progressed they have developed into a top top top team. Excellent movement, excellent tempo, plenty of chances being created etc. Now I admit they have better players than us, but the point is that as a unit they have visibly improved since the season started. That's with a brand new manager and a host of new players...
I know you're last para wasn't aimed at me ! No need to qualify it...;- )
Damocles said:Agree absolutely. This proves to me how fantastic of a manager Mourinho is, not how poor Mancini is though. I don't doubt that Mou is a better manager than Mancini; he's the best in the world with the possible exception of Ferguson (what? I value evolution across many years!). This doesn't degrade Mancini by any stretch. By the same measure, just because Ronaldo can do things that AJ can't, doesn't mean that AJ is underperforming.
BillyShears said:What about Rednapp then? Spurs improved markedly in his first season in charge, even though he bought in five new players in January. Then in the summer he bought another five or six players, and last season did better than us whilst playing much better football than we play...
The point is that there's no formula for when a team should improve, or when they should begin performing. The point is progress - both managers' teams have improved. Can you honestly say our team has improved since we played Liverpool at the beginning of the season?
blueinsa said:Damocles said:Actually, he's called Teflon, after the Teflon Don because I lost a bet to my "propa gangsta" nephew.
Your a lucky man to have him mate.
Dont envy the food bill though ;-)