Strike

[Yaya_Tony]

we have all become a soft touch. we need a leader to kick off the revolution

who's stepping up?

I'd do it but no-one ever fucking listens.


Edit; I nominate TCIB

 

[mackenzie]

Don't thank me or even talk to me you bitter misserable nasty cretin.[/quote]

LOL!

Classy :-)

 

[mackenzie]

Not had a drop, i just despise people like you.

Lucozade may be giving me a sugar rush at best.

You still on a crusade?

 

[TCIB]

Don't thank me or even talk to me you bitter misserable nasty cretin.

LOL!

Classy :-)

About as classy as posting in a thread just to act like your somehow better for being to cool to go to a meeting of friends.
All the time sneering and looking down your nose with a misplaced sense of superiority with you nasty comments.

So please forgive me if i find your assertions of what is and is not classy a load of fucking bullshit :)

You shoud also be aware if you think i'm disgusting or great i could not care less.

I think you will find crusades the business of your type aka christians. :)

 

[mackenzie]

Don't thank me or even talk to me you bitter misserable nasty cretin.

LOL!

Classy :-)

About as classy as posting in a thread just to act like your somehow better for being to cool to go to a meeting of friends.
All the time sneering and looking down your nose with a misplaced sense of superiority with you nasty comments.

So please forgive me if i find your assertions of what is and is not classy a load of fucking bullshit :)

You shoud also be aware if you think i'm disgusting or great i could not care less.

I don't think you are disgusting, probably because I don't know you in real life.
I don't sneer at anyone on here but you obviously think I do. Maybe you need to chill out a little because something that I said has obviously hit a nerve.

 

[BlueRob01]

I do feel for those who feel the need to strike but if the coffers are empty then what can you do ?

One way could be to steal hundreds of millions from local government pension funds, whose members DO pay for their pensions and whose fund is self managed and funded..
Oh shit, they already do that.

 

[bonespost]

Foreign aid,Chase up Vodafone etc for the 6 or 7bn they won't hand over?

Hehe i fully agree with the aid stuff, however i think thats all cloak and daggers to keep them sweet with us for many a wonderful reason.

I think cash owed we may as well write of because no bugger will be stumping up i bet.

How much do vodafone owe ? bloody hell how did they get away not payint it, tax i assume ?

These figures may be a couple of years out of date now but they were reported to have "negotiated" away a £6 BILLION tax bill in return for paying £800,000 up front and £450,000 over five years, their head of tax was former HMRC man John Connors.

Oh, has anyone mentioned Starbucks yet? I would hate them to miss out

John Connors, the former director of HM Revenue & Customs' (HMRC) large business and employers customer unit, has a new job with Vodafone, the telecoms company involved in a tax dispute with the Revenue. Connors is believed to be working as deputy tax director under group tax director Joel Walters.

 

[Matty]

Most union members are not remotley interested how much there leaders are on .what concerns them is that they represent them to the best of there abilaty .Each year the leaders of the Unions stand for election as he has been head of the Union for 13 years he must be doing right .Well done for all those who supported the Strike

Well they should be.

No union busy body should be on that amount of cash.

If they are willing to accept that then more fool them.

Are you telling us, the Union Membership, what we should be concerned with?
I couldn't give a sod what he earns. He does a good job.

Maybe he is doing a good job. Maybe £125,000 is about the going rate for someone in a job of his level. Both of those things are irrelevant. When he ran for election to this high profile, high financial reward role he made a promise, that was to take no more than the average civil servant wage, he now earns £125,000. So, he lied. He lied to the members in order to gain their votes and win a lucrative role for himself. How, exactly, can anyone trust a single word he says if there is such a clear example of him lying in order to line his own pockets?

The above isn't really all that relevant to the whole striking issue however.

To the person who suggested rolling strikes, day after day, department by department. Whilst it may be possible (although extremely difficult) to organise such a thing, I think you're forgetting that in order to "win" via strike action you need to keep public opinion very much on your side. MP's care about one thing, their own jobs. If the public end up pissed off with public sector workers due to strikes then they will support the governments actions, and that bolsters the governments position when dealing with the unions.

The issues the public sector workers have are that their strike action directly affects the general public, in ways ranging from minor to potentially life threatening. If I were to strike I would affect my employer, their clients and, very minutely indeed, some customers. So the major impact is on the people it is aimed to be on, the employers. When public sector workers strike the main impact is felt by the general public, it's them that haven't got teachers to teach their children, or firemen to stop their house burning down, or binmen to collect their rubbish. The goodwill of the general public, in such trying financial times, is paper thin. Whether rightly or wrongly they will soon start to view the public sector workers as workshy/greedy individuals who want good wages and excellent pensions whilst everyone else has to make do with less, and are punished by the public sector in order to get what they want.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Well they should be.

No union busy body should be on that amount of cash.

If they are willing to accept that then more fool them.

Are you telling us, the Union Membership, what we should be concerned with?
I couldn't give a sod what he earns. He does a good job.

Maybe he is doing a good job. Maybe £125,000 is about the going rate for someone in a job of his level. Both of those things are irrelevant. When he ran for election to this high profile, high financial reward role he made a promise, that was to take no more than the average civil servant wage, he now earns £125,000. So, he lied. He lied to the members in order to gain their votes and win a lucrative role for himself. How, exactly, can anyone trust a single word he says if there is such a clear example of him lying in order to line his own pockets?

Which was the point I was making. I don't care what he earns; that's a matter for him, his executive and his members. The Welsh windbag isn't my cup of tea but I'm probably biased as Clive Jenkins was the general secretary in my union activist days. I can certainly see why his members like him as well. But don't say you're going to do something in order to get elected then go back on that when you are. That's as bad as the politicians he's criticising.

 

[TGR]

I used to be in the Civil Service and went on strike a few times during the 90's.
How many times have you heard " yep, i support if but I can't afford a day off"...
Unbelievable.
Anybody who goes in, crosses a picket line and pisses over their colleagues and mates is a horrible gutless selfish human being in my eyes.
I used to be a manager and had staff who had gone in. That was difficult as whilst obviously everyone has the right to decide and that has to be respected, we are all human and also have our own opinions on morality and behaviour.

And there you have it:
Its amazing how some people feel that others do not have a right NOT to strike!
These people may be happy with their job and working conditions?
They may genuinely not be able to afford the loss of a full days wage?
They may even have the temerity to actually disagree with the reasons for the strike?

But no they are and I quote 'a horrible gutless selfish human being'

Trade unionists fought long hard bitter struggles to win the right to strike. With this came the equal right NOT to strike. But if they don't they are 'a horrible gutless selfish human being'.
Thank God I don't work in your office.