Strike

[cyberblue]

I used to be in the Civil Service and went on strike a few times during the 90's.
How many times have you heard " yep, i support if but I can't afford a day off"...
Unbelievable.
Anybody who goes in, crosses a picket line and pisses over their colleagues and mates is a horrible gutless selfish human being in my eyes.
I used to be a manager and had staff who had gone in. That was difficult as whilst obviously everyone has the right to decide and that has to be respected, we are all human and also have our own opinions on morality and behaviour.

And there you have it:
Its amazing how some people feel that others do not have a right NOT to strike!
These people may be happy with their job and working conditions?
They may genuinely not be able to afford the loss of a full days wage?
They may even have the temerity to actually disagree with the reasons for the strike?

But no they are and I quote 'a horrible gutless selfish human being'

Trade unionists fought long hard bitter struggles to win the right to strike. With this came the equal right NOT to strike. But if they don't they are 'a horrible gutless selfish human being'.
Thank God I don't work in your office.

Exactly. In my office the union members respect our reasons for not being in a union and working on strike days, just as we respect there choice to stay home.

There is no animosity between colleagues who do and don't strike, i'm glad some of the pro union posters on here don't work at my place!

You will gladly take any benifits the union wins though, who negotiates your terms & conditions ? let me guess the union .am sure the union members really love free loaders like yourself

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

What does scab actually mean. Such a random term when in it normal term is something that is formed by the human body to repair itself after an injury

 

[Fuzzy Logic]

Scab.

I take you will refuse any benefit that those on strike may gain/retain?

i thought a scab was a union member who crossed the picket line? I'm not in the union so therefore can't be classed as a scab.

Not that being called a scab bothers anyone, maybe it did in the 70's and 80's?

I respect the decision of my colleagues and friends who choose to join a union and strike so how about you respect peoples decision not join or strike? I'm happy in my job, happy with my pay and conditions and have no reason to join a union or take part in any action.

Of course i'm not thrilled by further years of a pay freeze but we're paying the price for the failures of a Labour government so things have to be done to put things right.

A scab is anyone that breaks a strike.

Again, will you let your boss's know that you do not want anything gained/retained by the strike action?

Okay, looks like i can officially call myself a scab then.

Now you surely know the answer to your question, if a pay rise was gained then of course i wouldn't turn it down - my priority is providing for myself and my family so i'll take whatever i can get no matter how it is won. That won't happen though, why would the government give us a pay rise just because 25% of the workforce stay home for a day?

My wife also works at the same office so a strike would be 2 days pay lost from the family budget over something we're not overly concerned about.

 

[pominoz]

What does scab actually mean. Such a random term when in it normal term is something that is formed by the human body to repair itself after an injury

"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles. When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and Angels weep in Heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out..."

Jack London. 1876-1916.

-- Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:20 pm --

i thought a scab was a union member who crossed the picket line? I'm not in the union so therefore can't be classed as a scab.

Not that being called a scab bothers anyone, maybe it did in the 70's and 80's?

I respect the decision of my colleagues and friends who choose to join a union and strike so how about you respect peoples decision not join or strike? I'm happy in my job, happy with my pay and conditions and have no reason to join a union or take part in any action.

Of course i'm not thrilled by further years of a pay freeze but we're paying the price for the failures of a Labour government so things have to be done to put things right.

A scab is anyone that breaks a strike.

Again, will you let your boss's know that you do not want anything gained/retained by the strike action?

Okay, looks like i can officially call myself a scab then.

Now you surely know the answer to your question, if a pay rise was gained then of course i wouldn't turn it down - my priority is providing for myself and my family so i'll take whatever i can get no matter how it is won. That won't happen though, why would the government give us a pay rise just because 25% of the workforce stay home for a day?

My wife also works at the same office so a strike would be 2 days pay lost from the family budget over something we're not overly concerned about.

Reposted just for you, scab.

"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles. When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and Angels weep in Heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out..."

Jack London. 1876-1916.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

What does scab actually mean. Such a random term when in it normal term is something that is formed by the human body to repair itself after an injury

"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles. When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and Angels weep in Heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out..."

Jack London. 1876-1916.

As that didn't explain anything I looked it up instead
Didn't know there were Unions back in the 1800's though

 

[bluejon]

Scab.

I take you will refuse any benefit that those on strike may gain/retain?

i thought a scab was a union member who crossed the picket line? I'm not in the union so therefore can't be classed as a scab.

Not that being called a scab bothers anyone, maybe it did in the 70's and 80's?

I respect the decision of my colleagues and friends who choose to join a union and strike so how about you respect peoples decision not join or strike? I'm happy in my job, happy with my pay and conditions and have no reason to join a union or take part in any action.

Of course i'm not thrilled by further years of a pay freeze but we're paying the price for the failures of a Labour government so things have to be done to put things right.

ANYONE who crosses a picket line is a FOOKING SCAB

no, they are not. my missus crossed a picket line for the first time in her life yesterday, and tore the head of some stupid woman who tried that line. the reason she crossed the picket line? the union agreed to go on strike when only roughly 20% of the membership had cast a vote, and 60% of that voted to go on strike, meaning that the union decided 5 days of strike action based on around 13% of the membership voting yes, disgraceful. in addition, these strikes are playing into the hands of the tory scum, and they are making no difference. the only people they are hurting is families like us who can't afford to lose the cash, hence her crossing the picket line. this is not the 1970's, we need new and effective ways to mark our discontent, strikes (in offices) are a total waste of time

 

[pominoz]

i thought a scab was a union member who crossed the picket line? I'm not in the union so therefore can't be classed as a scab.

Not that being called a scab bothers anyone, maybe it did in the 70's and 80's?

I respect the decision of my colleagues and friends who choose to join a union and strike so how about you respect peoples decision not join or strike? I'm happy in my job, happy with my pay and conditions and have no reason to join a union or take part in any action.

Of course i'm not thrilled by further years of a pay freeze but we're paying the price for the failures of a Labour government so things have to be done to put things right.

ANYONE who crosses a picket line is a FOOKING SCAB

no, they are not. my missus crossed a picket line for the first time in her life yesterday, and tore the head of some stupid woman who tried that line. the reason she crossed the picket line? the union agreed to go on strike when only roughly 20% of the membership had cast a vote, and 60% of that voted to go on strike, meaning that the union decided 5 days of strike action based on around 13% of the membership voting yes, disgraceful. in addition, these strikes are playing into the hands of the tory scum, and they are making no difference. the only people they are hurting is families like us who can't afford to lose the cash, hence her crossing the picket line. this is not the 1970's, we need new and effective ways to mark our discontent, strikes (in offices) are a total waste of time

You can dress it up anyway you like, but she is a scab. For shame!

 

[bluejon]

ANYONE who crosses a picket line is a FOOKING SCAB

no, they are not. my missus crossed a picket line for the first time in her life yesterday, and tore the head of some stupid woman who tried that line. the reason she crossed the picket line? the union agreed to go on strike when only roughly 20% of the membership had cast a vote, and 60% of that voted to go on strike, meaning that the union decided 5 days of strike action based on around 13% of the membership voting yes, disgraceful. in addition, these strikes are playing into the hands of the tory scum, and they are making no difference. the only people they are hurting is families like us who can't afford to lose the cash, hence her crossing the picket line. this is not the 1970's, we need new and effective ways to mark our discontent, strikes (in offices) are a total waste of time

You can dress it up anyway you like, but she is a scab. For shame!

no dressing up, its facts. she is as angry as anyone about the fact that her pension contributions have gone up, she's been on a pay freeze for 3 years, and she is vilified as being another spoilt lazy public sector worker, when the truth is, she could easily earn 4/5 times as much if she switched sides and worked for one of the big four accountants (she works for HMRC), but she believes in her job, and what she is trying to do, stop tax avoidance from large corporations. but... this strike, agreed to by not even 1 in 5 of the union membership is pure politics on behalf of the unions, and is not representative of the union membership. there is no shame in having a brain and not mindlessly following whichever herd happens to be braying the loudest

 

[johnmc]

Wait a minute - so if you don't strike but are happy to take the benefits that a strike may acheive then you are in the wrong.

So therefore you are advocating people in a union striking and winning getting more pay/benefits than those not in a union arent you. So people in the same workplace would be getting better pay and benefits whilst doing the same job purely because they were in the union.

Doesnt that go against the ethos of a union?

 

[pominoz]

Wait a minute - so if you don't strike but are happy to take the benefits that a strike may acheive then you are in the wrong.

So therefore you are advocating people in a union striking and winning getting more pay/benefits than those not in a union arent you. So people in the same workplace would be getting better pay and benefits whilst doing the same job purely because they were in the union.

Doesnt that go against the ethos of a union?

100%.

The whole concept of unions is that you stand together.
Lets give medals to deserter's, they were doing the same job but would not do the dirty work, and fucked off when the going gets tough.