Strike

[BoyBlue_1985]

Didn't know there were Unions back in the 1800's though

Really?

Although having read your "facts" of the day threads, it should not have come as a surprise. ;)

Im not markt mate
No learnt something new today should of guessed they would of popped up in Victorian times though

 

[pieface]

I think strikes like wars are outdated and would much rather see disputes resolved through arbitration.

 

[pominoz]

actions can make a difference, but not these actions. the original unionists knew that shutting down manufacturing could break a government, its why the tories were so clever in arranging two years worth of supply of coal during the miners strikes in the 80's. this is not the situation now. the effect of what is being done now is negligible, and a waste of time. we need to start looking at action such as blockading the London stock exchange etc, this would make a difference. these strikes will not improve anyone's conditions, just cost people money, at a time money is being taken of us all left right and centre (well, maybe not right)

a good indicator of whether a strike is of use is whether the police are turning out to crack picket line heads. if they're not, the government don't care, and it is making no difference at all

We will have to agree to disagree.
I have never nor would ever cross a picket line.
I nearly lost a job as a courier driver, as one my drops was at a factory that was on strike, i returned the parts to our depot (at cost to me, as you were paid for each drop) and told them i would deliver them when the strike was over or they could get a scab to do it.
They were not happy, but fuck them.<br /><br />-- Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:26 pm --<br /><br />

Didn't know there were Unions back in the 1800's though

Really?

Although having read your "facts" of the day threads, it should not have come as a surprise. ;)

Im not markt mate
No learnt something new today should of guessed they would of popped up in Victorian times though

Wrong Mark, sorry mate.

 

[Matty]

A scab is anyone that breaks a strike.

Again, will you let your boss's know that you do not want anything gained/retained by the strike action?

Okay, looks like i can officially call myself a scab then.

Now you surely know the answer to your question, if a pay rise was gained then of course i wouldn't turn it down - my priority is providing for myself and my family so i'll take whatever i can get no matter how it is won. That won't happen though, why would the government give us a pay rise just because 25% of the workforce stay home for a day?

My wife also works at the same office so a strike would be 2 days pay lost from the family budget over something we're not overly concerned about.

Well i hope you & your wife can hold your head up high as thousands of union members are fighting ,& losing money on your behalf (they are in the same boat as you)but you will & have done ,gladly take all pay rises & benifits such as holliday ,pay sickness benifits maternaty leave ,.reduction in the working week .personaly i think you should both be embarrased & ashamed of yourself have you no respect ?

As I said before, but seemed to be missed/ignored, if Fuzzy Logic isn't actually a member of the union, as he has stated, then he isn't allowed to strike alongside the union members. He could, potentially, chose to honour the strike and refuse to work on that day, but he wouldn't be protected by the same legal rights a striking union member would be. He would be open to disciplinary action from the company which could result in many different forms of action up to and including dismisal.

 

[pominoz]

Okay, looks like i can officially call myself a scab then.

Now you surely know the answer to your question, if a pay rise was gained then of course i wouldn't turn it down - my priority is providing for myself and my family so i'll take whatever i can get no matter how it is won. That won't happen though, why would the government give us a pay rise just because 25% of the workforce stay home for a day?

My wife also works at the same office so a strike would be 2 days pay lost from the family budget over something we're not overly concerned about.

Well i hope you & your wife can hold your head up high as thousands of union members are fighting ,& losing money on your behalf (they are in the same boat as you)but you will & have done ,gladly take all pay rises & benifits such as holliday ,pay sickness benifits maternaty leave ,.reduction in the working week .personaly i think you should both be embarrased & ashamed of yourself have you no respect ?

As I said before, but seemed to be missed/ignored, if Fuzzy Logic isn't actually a member of the union, as he has stated, then he isn't allowed to strike alongside the union members. He could, potentially, chose to honour the strike and refuse to work on that day, but he wouldn't be protected by the same legal rights a striking union member would be. He would be open to disciplinary action from the company which could result in many different forms of action up to and including dismisal.

That was not his/her reason for honouring the strike though, even if it was, tough.
Join the union and have some protection of your rights.

 

[Matty]

Well i hope you & your wife can hold your head up high as thousands of union members are fighting ,& losing money on your behalf (they are in the same boat as you)but you will & have done ,gladly take all pay rises & benifits such as holliday ,pay sickness benifits maternaty leave ,.reduction in the working week .personaly i think you should both be embarrased & ashamed of yourself have you no respect ?

As I said before, but seemed to be missed/ignored, if Fuzzy Logic isn't actually a member of the union, as he has stated, then he isn't allowed to strike alongside the union members. He could, potentially, chose to honour the strike and refuse to work on that day, but he wouldn't be protected by the same legal rights a striking union member would be. He would be open to disciplinary action from the company which could result in many different forms of action up to and including dismisal.

That was not his/her reason for honouring the strike though, even if it was, tough.
Join the union and have some protection of your rights.

If you're not in the union then you haven't chosen to strike, so why are you a "scab" for going into work? Especially given you will be punished for refusing to work?

Union membership is not, and can not be allowed to be, compulsary. It's an individuals right not to join the union, they will suffer (potentially) as a consequence, if they find themselves with disciplinary issues for example, but that's the risk they take. Yes, they too will benefit from whatever the union negotiates/fights for (assuming all employees are on the same T&C's and there isn't a CBU, Collective Bargaining Unit, or some such entity at play), but that's just the way it has always worked.

 

[urmston]

As I said before, but seemed to be missed/ignored, if Fuzzy Logic isn't actually a member of the union, as he has stated, then he isn't allowed to strike alongside the union members. He could, potentially, chose to honour the strike and refuse to work on that day, but he wouldn't be protected by the same legal rights a striking union member would be. He would be open to disciplinary action from the company which could result in many different forms of action up to and including dismisal.

Not true.

The right to strike has nothing whatsoever with being in a union.

Everyone has it.

And the law states that a company cannot take action aginst individual stikers.

It has to treat them all the same, whether they are members of a union or not.

A company can sack all strikers or none at all, it cannot pick and choose.

Striking is a sackable offence whether you are in a union or not, but in most cases companies choose not to sack any strikers because by law they'd have to sack them all and that'd damage the company.


However, if you choose to hold a one man strike all on your own the company will probably sack you whether you are the member of a union or not. So before you do it make sure you are indispensable.

 

[Matty]

As I said before, but seemed to be missed/ignored, if Fuzzy Logic isn't actually a member of the union, as he has stated, then he isn't allowed to strike alongside the union members. He could, potentially, chose to honour the strike and refuse to work on that day, but he wouldn't be protected by the same legal rights a striking union member would be. He would be open to disciplinary action from the company which could result in many different forms of action up to and including dismisal.

Not true.

The right to strike has nothing whatsoever with bing in a union.

Everyone has it.

And the law states that a company cannot take action aginst individual stikers.

It has to treat them all the same, whether thay are members of a union or not.

A company can sack all strikers or none at all, it cannot pick and choose.

Striking is a sackable offence whether you are in a union or not, but in most cases companies choose not to sack any strikers because by law they'd have to sack them all and that'd damage the company.


However, if you choose to hold a one man strike all on your own the company will probably sack you whether you are the member of a union or not. So before you do it make sure you are indispensable.

Taken directly from the PCS (Public and Commercial Services) Union Website, in the "Frequently asked Questions about the Strike" section:-

QUESTION I'm not a union member, but I support the action. Can I take part?

ANSWER Unfortunately not. Management could take action against you for unauthorised absence, and as you are not a member, we wouldn’t be able to help you.

But you can still join now and take part. Then you would be protected – and we can help you with future employment problems.

It seems the Unions themselves disagree with you.

 

[pominoz]

As I said before, but seemed to be missed/ignored, if Fuzzy Logic isn't actually a member of the union, as he has stated, then he isn't allowed to strike alongside the union members. He could, potentially, chose to honour the strike and refuse to work on that day, but he wouldn't be protected by the same legal rights a striking union member would be. He would be open to disciplinary action from the company which could result in many different forms of action up to and including dismisal.

Not true.

The right to strike has nothing whatsoever with bing in a union.

Everyone has it.

And the law states that a company cannot take action aginst individual stikers.

It has to treat them all the same, whether thay are members of a union or not.

A company can sack all strikers or none at all, it cannot pick and choose.

Striking is a sackable offence whether you are in a union or not, but in most cases companies choose not to sack any strikers because by law they'd have to sack them all and that'd damage the company.


However, if you choose to hold a one man strike all on your own the company will probably sack you whether you are the member of a union or not. So before you do it make sure you are indispensable.

Taken directly from the PCS (Public and Commercial Services) Union Website, in the "Frequently asked Questions about the Strike" section:-

QUESTION I'm not a union member, but I support the action. Can I take part?

ANSWER Unfortunately not. Management could take action against you for unauthorised absence, and as you are not a member, we wouldn’t be able to help you.

But you can still join now and take part. Then you would be protected – and we can help you with future employment problems.

It seems the Unions themselves disagree with you.

That looks like a tactic by the union to get people to join, hence the, "could".

 

[urmston]

As I said before, but seemed to be missed/ignored, if Fuzzy Logic isn't actually a member of the union, as he has stated, then he isn't allowed to strike alongside the union members. He could, potentially, chose to honour the strike and refuse to work on that day, but he wouldn't be protected by the same legal rights a striking union member would be. He would be open to disciplinary action from the company which could result in many different forms of action up to and including dismisal.

Not true.

The right to strike has nothing whatsoever with bing in a union.

Everyone has it.

And the law states that a company cannot take action aginst individual stikers.

It has to treat them all the same, whether thay are members of a union or not.

A company can sack all strikers or none at all, it cannot pick and choose.

Striking is a sackable offence whether you are in a union or not, but in most cases companies choose not to sack any strikers because by law they'd have to sack them all and that'd damage the company.


However, if you choose to hold a one man strike all on your own the company will probably sack you whether you are the member of a union or not. So before you do it make sure you are indispensable.

Taken directly from the PCS (Public and Commercial Services) Union Website, in the "Frequently asked Questions about the Strike" section:-

QUESTION I'm not a union member, but I support the action. Can I take part?

ANSWER Unfortunately not. Management could take action against you for unauthorised absence, and as you are not a member, we wouldn’t be able to help you.

But you can still join now and take part. Then you would be protected – and we can help you with future employment problems.

It seems the Unions themselves disagree with you.

No they don't. What they say is perfectly true. Striking is a form of unauthorised absence. The company can take action against strikers, but obviously the PCS wll only help its members. But as the union wants you as a member it neglects to mention that it is illegal to treat strikers differently, union members or not.

It's just clever wording aimed at getting you to worry and join up.

I'd advise everyone to join a union. Membership does not give you any more protection when it comes to striking, but if anything else goes wrong at work it certainly will help to have the union to back you up.