Sunderland Vs City Post Game Discussion Thread

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You lot just wont listen, wearing your blue specs - Mancini was never the right manager for us and has repeatedly proved it with his bizarre tactics and team selections;
Alienates himself from his players who dont want to play for him; Centre forwards with no wingers, 3 at the back as a 'one off', slowest most skillfully inept player at the club thrown on as a centre forward to get goals, wingers played with smallest centre forwards to supply, constantly playing a mentalist centre forward EVERYONE knows is crap and nuts! Playing left footed players on the right and vice-verca, using a non english speaking trainer to teach us how to defend in zonal marking (OMG).
I could go on and on and on...................

Unbelievably crass transfer policy last summer. 50m completely tossed away.

Players on wacky wages who are just not good enough for top four - yet defended to the hilt here as being laughably called - 'world class'. (barry,lescott,milner,kolorov etc etc). And anyone caught suggesting this is called traitor/rag. Basically we have x5 proper top four players - thats all.

We won the league inspite of Mancini,platt and Kidd NOT because of them.

Im utterly fed up with 'sideways' football. At least we play for 25mins now instead of the 20mins last season.

Wake up and smell the coffee blues!

Good grief what has become of us

Depends how you define 'us'.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

You lot just wont listen, wearing your blue specs - Mancini was never the right manager for us and has repeatedly proved it with his bizarre tactics and team selections;
Alienates himself from his players who dont want to play for him; Centre forwards with no wingers, 3 at the back as a 'one off', slowest most skillfully inept player at the club thrown on as a centre forward to get goals, wingers played with smallest centre forwards to supply, constantly playing a mentalist centre forward EVERYONE knows is crap and nuts! Playing left footed players on the right and vice-verca, using a non english speaking trainer to teach us how to defend in zonal marking (OMG).
I could go on and on and on...................

Unbelievably crass transfer policy last summer. 50m completely tossed away.

Players on wacky wages who are just not good enough for top four - yet defended to the hilt here as being laughably called - 'world class'. (barry,lescott,milner,kolorov etc etc). And anyone caught suggesting this is called traitor/rag. Basically we have x5 proper top four players - thats all.

We won the league inspite of Mancini,platt and Kidd NOT because of them.

Im utterly fed up with 'sideways' football. At least we play for 25mins now instead of the 20mins last season.

Wake up and smell the coffee blues!

Good grief what has become of us

Depends how you define 'us'.

yhp, one person doesn't tend to mean "us".

Though I do understand his sideways point, was muttering to myself repeatedly during the Reading game: "sideways, sideways, sideways...sideways, sideways, lost the ball". Infuriating.

 

[lazerblue]

weve been there done this, fuck me have you nothing better to discuss,

-- Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:12 pm --



weve been there done this, fuck me have you nothing better to discuss,

no, cos its important, if u think balo is better than aguero then u really are an arsehole who knows fuck all about football

are you completely fucking inept? ive already commented on this matter, you are completely fucking stupid.

i wasnt askin u

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: Im joining the mancini out brigade

Matijah has literally done NOTHING wrong, at all.

There's 57 points to play for!

Get a fucking grip of yourselves you bunch of soft fucking girl's blouses!

Chest beating aside, do you think if we carry on as we are, we will win the league because you hope the rags will implode? If you do think that, then I would say hope is not a strategy. And you are dreaming. We have to seriously get our shit together and fast, if we are tonave any hope whatsoever.

Do you accept that we are not working 100% right now? If you do, what would you propose we do about it? Just carry on and hope it gets better?

Top sportsmen in every field are always looking to see how to improve, how to get better. To stay as you are, is going backwards.

So what do we actually DO other than just carry on and hope everything will be OK, (when patently it will not be)?

 

[blue rebel]

Have our strikers been told to only shoot from inside the box? we seem to try walking the ball into the net all the time, where have the skills gone that both Aguero and Tevez are known to possess, at shooting from outside the box?. We say other teams have sussed us out, that is why they park the bus against us, how come other teams like Arsenal, Chelsea, Manure, Spurs etc., don't have the same problem, is it because Mancini seems to have trained our strikers not to use their natural talents, but to play his way?
I liked Mancini, but he seems to have run out of ideas, he says he "knows the problem" so why does he not fix it? How is bringing a defender on when we are losing going to improve things. We have lots of possession but seem to have no end product. All the time we seem to spend half the game going either sideways or backwards. Our summer signings, other than Nastascic, do not seem to have been an improvement, but Mancini also does not seem to trust them and he does not give them a chance, when we need width, why not try Sinclair and Maicon with Dzeko in the middle? why keep playing Balotelli, only to take him off for the slightest mistake? I may not have the best understanding of management but I can see when things are not right and we cannot keep making excuses. Sorry for the rant, but things need to get sorted and the sooner the better

 

[Blue and Proud]

More width and pace is definitely needed in certain games, but we need someone in the box who can get on the end of crosses. The form and confidence of our strikers concerns me as does the loss of form of Yaya and Hart plus the injury situation of the full backs.

 

[lionheart]

Was Sinclair on the bench? If not, why not? If he was, why not bring him on instead of thowing on Lescott whose shooting prowess is non-existent?

 

[Bobbies Black Bins]

Was Sinclair on the bench? If not, why not? If he was, why not bring him on instead of thowing on Lescott whose shooting prowess is non-existent?

Yes he was on the bench...

Its very obvious now Mancini did not sign Sinclair and has no intention of playing him.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

I wish Mata played for us, immense for chelsea, already double figures in Goals and Assists

Fantastic post..This is where he is a better "overall" player IMOthan Silva.
Love the wizard but Mata is proving his worth to Chelsea. Not a criticism of Dave but his goals record isn't great.

 

[AgüeroKun]

You lot just wont listen, wearing your blue specs - Mancini was never the right manager for us and has repeatedly proved it with his bizarre tactics and team selections;
Alienates himself from his players who dont want to play for him; Centre forwards with no wingers, 3 at the back as a 'one off', slowest most skillfully inept player at the club thrown on as a centre forward to get goals, wingers played with smallest centre forwards to supply, constantly playing a mentalist centre forward EVERYONE knows is crap and nuts! Playing left footed players on the right and vice-verca, using a non english speaking trainer to teach us how to defend in zonal marking (OMG).
I could go on and on and on...................

Unbelievably crass transfer policy last summer. 50m completely tossed away.

Players on wacky wages who are just not good enough for top four - yet defended to the hilt here as being laughably called - 'world class'. (barry,lescott,milner,kolorov etc etc). And anyone caught suggesting this is called traitor/rag. Basically we have x5 proper top four players - thats all.

We won the league inspite of Mancini,platt and Kidd NOT because of them.

Im utterly fed up with 'sideways' football. At least we play for 25mins now instead of the 20mins last season.

Wake up and smell the coffee blues!

This.

 

[BlueNomad]

if you watch the Spurs, United and Chelsea games from today, then it is clear what the difference is between City and those teams. Question is, will we use what we see as being successful against the likes of Villa, Newcastle and Norwich (9 goals) or will we try to FORCE the ball between the 18 yard lines and only sling it out to the wing (to Kolo and Zaba yesterday!) when we run out of ideas and then watch them pass it back inside?!

Funny to see SO MANY CITY FANS able to see what the problems are (slow build up, forcing the ball, ten 2 yard passes REQUIRED before ANYONE tries to score), yet NO-ON at the club seems to recognize that we won the league last year with blazing speed and destroying the morale of other teams by making them vulnerable for 90 minutes.

In Aguero, we have a world class striker who is having to make runs towards the corner flag to see the ball, or is left standing with his back to goal waiting to see if one of the midfielders is going to pass the ball. Newsflash: He scores goals ON THE RUN, when the ball is played through to him, NOT with his back to goal with two or three defenders on his arse!

In Tevez, we have taken a goal poacher and hard worker at beating that last defender and made him into a player who is REQUIRED to drop into midfield to get a touch from the 4 midfielders passing it between themselves for 60 minutes every game!

In Balotelli, we have a WORLD CLASS forward, who we want to be a left winger and left midfielder!?! WTF? When he plays as a REAL centre forward, he makes things happen, he will have a shot, he provides layoffs for others to score (Aguero, QPR?!) and he scores goals. When he plays left wing, he is allowed to drift in and out of the game, is wasted, and almost every run he makes, he gets overlooked by a few more passes between the midfielders (notice the trend?!).

In Dzeko, we have one of the best "old timer" hold up, shot with either foot, header of the ball in the League and we only bring him on when we are desperate for a goal.....and then give him ZERO SERVICE!

We are a team that is DESIGNED to allow the midfielders to to top the Opta Stats for passes completed (nearly all of them being less than 5 yards) and to win the "possession" stats for every game. If only those things won games!!

Defence is playing well and is second best in the League behind Stoke, which I will accept given how dire it is to watch them play! The full backs are doing their best to get forward and get the ball across, but playing Kolo on the right is NEVER going to get you an overlapping FB who will whip in a cross and Zaba on the left is often restricted by a decent RB who shows him the line, knowing he favors his right foot. We are most definitely missing the ability to go to the back 3/5 that allows those FBs to play as wingers....but ONLY because we lack a left footed player who can cross the ball when Clichy and especially Kolarov are injured.

Sadly, BECAUSE we are playing so slowly, and playing with SIX "attackers" at times, we are allowing teams to break on us and make us look vulnerable to the quick break.....even against the "lesser" teams in the league (Reading, Sunderland, and next week Norwich!!!).

Time to get a finger out and sort things out. We should NOT be chasing EVERY GAME for an equalizer or winner. THAT is not the stuff of Champions over the long term and so far it has been our ENTIRE SEASON, save for a few games here or there!

 

[PSmyth07]

Leaking goals left, right and centre and he won't bring back Lescott with Kompany.

 

[Ducado]

Leaking goals left, right and centre and he won't bring back Lescott with Kompany.

no we are not

 

[Jumanji]

Leaking goals left, right and centre and he won't bring back Lescott with Kompany.

What is Lescott starting supposed to change when Nastasic is playing as well as he has been?

 

[Berkovic_blue]

You lot just wont listen, wearing your blue specs - Mancini was never the right manager for us and has repeatedly proved it with his bizarre tactics and team selections;
Alienates himself from his players who dont want to play for him; Centre forwards with no wingers, 3 at the back as a 'one off', slowest most skillfully inept player at the club thrown on as a centre forward to get goals, wingers played with smallest centre forwards to supply, constantly playing a mentalist centre forward EVERYONE knows is crap and nuts! Playing left footed players on the right and vice-verca, using a non english speaking trainer to teach us how to defend in zonal marking (OMG).
I could go on and on and on...................

Unbelievably crass transfer policy last summer. 50m completely tossed away.

Players on wacky wages who are just not good enough for top four - yet defended to the hilt here as being laughably called - 'world class'. (barry,lescott,milner,kolorov etc etc). And anyone caught suggesting this is called traitor/rag. Basically we have x5 proper top four players - thats all.

We won the league inspite of Mancini,platt and Kidd NOT because of them.

Im utterly fed up with 'sideways' football. At least we play for 25mins now instead of the 20mins last season.

Wake up and smell the coffee blues!

This.

Hahaha, what a load of absolute shit, I feel embarassed for you for even thinking that.

Won the league in spite of him, tell us another funny one!

-- Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:24 am --

We are playing virtually the exact same system as last season. The strikers ARE the problem, nothing to do with width, pace or any other bollocks.

We are creating plenty of chances every single game, it is simply the fact that Aguero, Tevez and the rest are ALL going through a shitty patch and they need a rocket up their arses because they are costing us points BIG TIME.

I think some people want there to be something else that's the problem, there isn't!!! It's very simple, none of the strikers have got close to their levels of last season. Bollock the lot of them and if they don't shape up ASAP then sign 2 in Jan and ship 2 of the useless bastards out and drop the rest.<br /><br />-- Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:25 am --<br /><br />

Leaking goals left, right and centre and he won't bring back Lescott with Kompany.

lol, is this another wind-up?

 

[Lancet Fluke]

We look so ordinary at the moment. At first I thought it was because he was fucking about with his team selection so much that we were looking disjointed but he seems to have settled down now in terms of the team selection yet things haven't improved at all. What has happened to the fantastic movement off the ball and quick passing that we had pre-christmas last season? We got it for about 25 mins against Newcastle but that's about it. Silva hasn't looked as good this season but then the movement around him is relatively poor and he hasn't got the killer pass options which he had so often last season. It makes it way too easy for teams like Reading to just pack the penalty box and we don't stretch them or their concentration levels nearly enough. On the whole, I think just think our work rate both in possession and when not in possession is not as good as last year.

 

[Stretford Born Blue]

The strikers isn't the problem, it's the inability of the team to get into the box at pace, either on their feet or with the ball.
Nobody yesterday ran in the penalty area, or towards it, virtually every attack yesterday ended up with the ball being played into feet whilst the player receiving it had his back to goal.
The goal is behind you ffs... and you can't score goals facing the wrong way whilst nobody makes a decent run into space to receive an passes.
The build up play is great, it's patient and pulls the other team all over the place, but it's no soddin good if it ends up with the strikers and anybody else capable of scoring, not taking the shot or facing the goal.
Is the player we are missing Nasri.....? is he really that good at creating opportunities for our strikers, because no bugger else creates anything remotely looking like a clear goal scoring opportunity.
Silva yesterday was nowhere to be seen and his first touch was crap.
No wing play, no decent crosses at pace and as for set plays, corners etc, we are clueless this season.
Where has the cutting edge gone..?

 

[cleavers]

We are playing virtually the exact same system as last season. The strikers ARE the problem, nothing to do with width, pace or any other bollocks.

We are creating plenty of chances every single game, it is simply the fact that Aguero, Tevez and the rest are ALL going through a shitty patch and they need a rocket up their arses because they are costing us points BIG TIME.

Correct, in the last 2 games we should have scored 7 or 8 goals, but its only the 1, nothing wrong with the creation, its the execution that's poor.

 

[Chippy_boy]

if you watch the Spurs, United and Chelsea games from today, then it is clear what the difference is between City and those teams. Question is, will we use what we see as being successful against the likes of Villa, Newcastle and Norwich (9 goals) or will we try to FORCE the ball between the 18 yard lines and only sling it out to the wing (to Kolo and Zaba yesterday!) when we run out of ideas and then watch them pass it back inside?!

Funny to see SO MANY CITY FANS able to see what the problems are (slow build up, forcing the ball, ten 2 yard passes REQUIRED before ANYONE tries to score), yet NO-ON at the club seems to recognize that we won the league last year with blazing speed and destroying the morale of other teams by making them vulnerable for 90 minutes.

In Aguero, we have a world class striker who is having to make runs towards the corner flag to see the ball, or is left standing with his back to goal waiting to see if one of the midfielders is going to pass the ball. Newsflash: He scores goals ON THE RUN, when the ball is played through to him, NOT with his back to goal with two or three defenders on his arse!

In Tevez, we have taken a goal poacher and hard worker at beating that last defender and made him into a player who is REQUIRED to drop into midfield to get a touch from the 4 midfielders passing it between themselves for 60 minutes every game!

In Balotelli, we have a WORLD CLASS forward, who we want to be a left winger and left midfielder!?! WTF? When he plays as a REAL centre forward, he makes things happen, he will have a shot, he provides layoffs for others to score (Aguero, QPR?!) and he scores goals. When he plays left wing, he is allowed to drift in and out of the game, is wasted, and almost every run he makes, he gets overlooked by a few more passes between the midfielders (notice the trend?!).

In Dzeko, we have one of the best "old timer" hold up, shot with either foot, header of the ball in the League and we only bring him on when we are desperate for a goal.....and then give him ZERO SERVICE!

We are a team that is DESIGNED to allow the midfielders to to top the Opta Stats for passes completed (nearly all of them being less than 5 yards) and to win the "possession" stats for every game. If only those things won games!!

Defence is playing well and is second best in the League behind Stoke, which I will accept given how dire it is to watch them play! The full backs are doing their best to get forward and get the ball across, but playing Kolo on the right is NEVER going to get you an overlapping FB who will whip in a cross and Zaba on the left is often restricted by a decent RB who shows him the line, knowing he favors his right foot. We are most definitely missing the ability to go to the back 3/5 that allows those FBs to play as wingers....but ONLY because we lack a left footed player who can cross the ball when Clichy and especially Kolarov are injured.

Sadly, BECAUSE we are playing so slowly, and playing with SIX "attackers" at times, we are allowing teams to break on us and make us look vulnerable to the quick break.....even against the "lesser" teams in the league (Reading, Sunderland, and next week Norwich!!!).

Time to get a finger out and sort things out. We should NOT be chasing EVERY GAME for an equalizer or winner. THAT is not the stuff of Champions over the long term and so far it has been our ENTIRE SEASON, save for a few games here or there!

Depressing reading. But in the round, true enough. I could pick holes in it and offer counter argument here and there. But in essence what you say is correct. We are not playing to our strengths nor using the incredible assets we have to anything like their best abilities.

I do not agree with a previous poster who reckons our players are not up to it. Not for one moment. You cannot expect to have a team of 11 Messis and Iniestas, no-one has. We have a great balance of world class players with individual brilliance, combined with others with incredible professionalism and work ethic and energy.

As yourself in all honesty would Bacon swap his team for ours, if he could magically swap them over? Damned right he would. Or look at it another way, who from them would get in our first 11? RVP, Rooney. Who else? We have 5 or 6 players who would walk into his team. Maybe 7 if he fancied playing 2 strikers.

But they are scoring for fun and we can't buy a goal against bloody Sunderland.

Carry on like this and the league is gone, if it isn't already. We all know it really apart from the few with their eyes closed and fingers in their ears yelling "I'm not listening, I'm not listening."

I like Mancini in that he has charisma and clearly some ability, if not being at the very very top level. I was hoping Mancini could steer us to another title. I don't believe he can do that now. He does not possess the wherewithal to see the problems and make the necessary changes. His "solution" would be to spend another £50m in January, and I don't see him being given the money.

The one ray of hope is that I am certain we want to replace Mancini with Pep, and maybe just maybe Begiristain and Soriano plan on some Galactico signing in January to make Pep sit up and notice. Like bringing in a star Barca player for him to come and work with next season. This is pure and utterly wild speculation, but you never know.

 

[bert's broken neck]

Been away in sunnier climes for a few weeks and not had opportunity to post!

Why did Dzeko spend most of his time on the pitch down the flanks? He should have been told to stay INSIDE the channels and wait for someone, maybe Milner from the right or Silva from the left (like Reading!) to put the ball into the penalty area.

Also, Tevez looks like he's well pissed off and his shooting has become a bit of joke to me.

We are trying to walk the ball into the net - why doesn't someone work the goalie now and again, you never know he could f**k up, like Joe did for AJ's goal!

Still, at least we are past the magic 38 points, so the drop shouldn't be a problem, but with City you never know!