Super Joey Hart?

[Phil1]

Aguero can fuck off if we can get someone better or as good and less injury prone.

That's the spirit :-)

 

[Metalartin]

I'm afraid your post has confused the hell out of me. Are you stating in one sentence that Joe is world class only to pick holes in him in your next?

Do you not think Neuer has his weaknesses or off games? It's simple he's put in performances that are top top level against the very best teams on the planet on the biggest stage of them all... it wasn't just a one off game he really is that good when he's at the top of his game. I started the post by saying it will be good for Joe if we have someone who will genuinely be good enough to force Joe out when he's not at his best.

 

[mosssideblue]

Do you not think Neuer has his weaknesses or off games? It's simple he's put in performances that are top top level against the very best teams on the planet on the biggest stage of them all... it wasn't just a one off game he really is that good when he's at the top of his game. I started the post by saying it will be good for Joe if we have someone who will genuinely be good enough to force Joe out when he's not at his best.

Of course, all keepers can have mares, maybe I misinterpreted your post.

Personally I think Joe is an excellent shot stopper. After that, I don't particularly feel he excels at all in other aspects of keeping.

 

[ballinio]

An average goalkeeper, I'm glad we're looking for a replacement.

 

[mosssideblue]

An average goalkeeper, I'm glad we're looking for a replacement.

You know it's past 12 noon :)

 

[ballinio]

You know it's past 12 noon :)

Deadly serious, don't think he's a great keeper at all, distribution is awfull, doesn't command his box & doesn't move his feet along the line to adjust his position, especially for free kicks. Like I said , average.

 

[mosssideblue]

Deadly serious, don't think he's a great keeper at all, distribution is awfull, doesn't command his box & doesn't move his feet along the line to adjust his position, especially for free kicks. Like I said , average.

I don't believe he is world class, but he is far from average

 

[ballinio]

I don't believe he is world class, but he is far from average

Ok you may be right, above average is about right.

 

[East Level 2]

Brilliant as a keeper, not so good as a footballer.
His distribution is far less important than his shot stopping. His stats will be back to the top one or two once we stop pissing about with the defence.

 

[domalino]

Maybe our defence is not as bad as some would have you believe ? Clean sheets cannot be attributed to the goalkeeper alone. Far more telling and particularly this season are the keepers shots to goals conceded ratios

On the basis of a 'keeping-goals-out rating’. Put simply, this is the number of goals a goalkeeper is expected to have conceded based on the shots they have faced, minus the actual total. Tottenham Hugo Lloris and De Gea post rates of 6.8 and 6.3 respectively but Hart is at 2.0 even Costel Pantilimon has a better rating than Hart.

Player Shots Gls conc. Exp'd gls conc. Keeping gls out
Lloris 106 30 36.8 6.8
De Gea 85 21 27.3 6.3
Fabianski 100 24 28.9 4.9
Adrian 99 26 30.2 4.2
Pantilimon 78 16 19.5 3.5
Szczesny 58 18 21.3 3.3
Hart 64 18 20.0 2.0
Forster 52 15 13.0 2.0

This stands up to my feeling about the number of times I am continually frustrated that our defence is rarely troubled then out of nowhere (particularly this season) we concede a goal with a teams first shot. I've lost count of the number of times that has happened.These stats was from February when we were quite well placed so I'm sure the stats will look even worse now. This also belies the notion that we have a poor defence - at least up until 15th Feb.

The one thing in his favour is the fact he is English and I am NOT saying he is a terrible keeper just that I think we could get better and I think Joe, who can make the most unbelievable saves, lets himself down. I'm convinced it's a concentration problem when he is largely underemployed in games and he switches off.

Harts best games have always come when we are under the cosh, Barcelona away being by far and away the best example, he was world class that night, however, he lets those standards slip in games where we are dominating and it has cost us several times this season - Liverpool away being the worst example. I could have saved that daisy cutter.

Would it be a priority for me, possibly not, but I can understand why Pep may be thinking about it, particularly when you start taking into account distribution..

Here's a fantastic illustration of this -

We dominate possession against mid and lower table teams, so we don't face many shots.

Better teams see more of the ball, take more shots and we concede bucketloads of goals against them.

Hart may well win the golden glove again, not because our defence is good, but because Yaya, Nasri, Fernandinho, Navas and Silva may just keep the ball enough that we get a few more clean sheets.

I think Pellegrini knows this as well and it's one of the reasons he's sucked the adventure out of Sterlings game, making ball retention the biggest priority.