not sure Ibra was that close and Hart was telling him to pass it on to Ota immediately. I have no idea if Joe had warned Nando about Ibra but to be fair Nando should have been more aware. I simply cant see why Joe should shoulder much, if any, blame here
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not sure Ibra was that close and Hart was telling him to pass it on to Ota immediately. I have no idea if Joe had warned Nando about Ibra but to be fair Nando should have been more aware. I simply cant see why Joe should shoulder much, if any, blame here
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Mistakes happen. He makes very few. He makes far fewer than his outfield players do. He's a cracking 'keeper and great City man so he has grace with me for the odd mistake. I'd barely say it was his mistake anyway.
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Here's my view on Joe Hart. I don't class him as one of the best Goalkeepers in the world and I would probably have him only 4th best in the PL (Behind Lloris, De Gea, Cech, Courtois) BUT i wouldn't swap him for anyone in world football, he 'gets' city
He has many areas to improve on but as someone has mentioned, Goalkeepers usually get better with age (Look at Van Der Sar, I think he was 34+ when he moved to United), Joe's got another 10 years +. But then there's areas where i think he excels to his peers, shot stopping, penalty saving, leadership etc. I've also heard from a good source he is instructed by Foreign GK coaches/Managers not to catch the ball in & around the 6 yard area, to always punch - The logic being it's less risky to punch in that area than attempt a catch and drop it.
And to the poster who said he's not a Leader or Vocal - really? I'd had him as skipper all day of the week when VK isn't fit, clearly fits the bill of a 'leader'
Lets get behind him, we're lucky to have him.
He has many areas to improve on but as someone has mentioned, Goalkeepers usually get better with age (Look at Van Der Sar, I think he was 34+ when he moved to United), Joe's got another 10 years +. But then there's areas where i think he excels to his peers, shot stopping, penalty saving, leadership etc. I've also heard from a good source he is instructed by Foreign GK coaches/Managers not to catch the ball in & around the 6 yard area, to always punch - The logic being it's less risky to punch in that area than attempt a catch and drop it.
And to the poster who said he's not a Leader or Vocal - really? I'd had him as skipper all day of the week when VK isn't fit, clearly fits the bill of a 'leader'
Lets get behind him, we're lucky to have him.
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Rather than look at stills I'd rather Look at what actually happened. If he was further than a couple of yards away when Fernando took his touch he wouldn't have been in the position to Score.Less than a yard away?
People get too defensive when it comes to Hart. The Ter Stegan thread proves that beyond doubt. I understand why, I've done it myself on Silva and Kompany threads.
You must have misread the tone of my post, i'm 100% blaming Fernando for the goal. Was more alluding to the fact at how bizarre it was, with the points being; we never play it out from the back against top teams and when we finally do we play it to a player thats not exactly comfortable and ultimately give away a bloody stupid goal.
Do it yourself mate, pause the replay when Nando takes the touch and you'll see he was almost 5 yards away, besides the touch was completely unnecessary anyway, he had three options if he'd just played it first time.
bluemoonmatt
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I kinda did yeah but am at work and should really get some done lol. the point I guess I was trying to make is that Nando ain't no green behind the gills youth player, he should be able to be relied on to control a simple pass equally to Silva or Toure
babyape
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Zero blame for Hart on their first. Playing it short is something we need to do more, long punts are pointless for us. He had plenty of space when he received the ball.
Nando had time to control, pass back to Hart, or pass to either side. He was just a bit casual, complete lapse in concentration.
Shame, as he played very well.
Nando had time to control, pass back to Hart, or pass to either side. He was just a bit casual, complete lapse in concentration.
Shame, as he played very well.
He was close enough to cut the ball out after a poor touch from Fernando. The rest is just our own interpretation of the rights and wrongs of the situation. I thought it was the wrong pass, others don't. I'm not going to get hung up on it. I've watched it enough since last night to form my opinion, as have you. We obviously disagree.
BlueS
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almost identical to the Demi one in the derby, there must be an element of Joes fault.
We do indeed. I normally wouldn't debate an issue as strongly if I could see where the other person is coming from but I find it incredulous that any blame is being apportioned to Hart here, I'm gobsmacked by it.
Hart could see Ibra and fernando. fernando was not expecting the ball. Stupid pass by hart. Why put Fernando under pressure and fernando probably was reassured that he was safe by hart making the pass. 75% bad luck - it still had to rebound into the net. Do that 100 times and it doesn't end up in the net.
It's getting even more bizarre now. Nando wasn't expecting the ball!!!????? He came to the edge of the area to receive the ball for Christ's sake.
See I don't understand how you can be gobsmacked? We conceded, unnecessarily at an important stage of the game. Even if you think it was all on Fernando, I still don't think it was the right pass at the right time.
Got to be a wind up. Demichelis dallied on the ball, didn't turn out and left it long enough to be put under pressure before laying off a fanny pass back to Hart, who bailed the ever shite Demichelis out again. A
01cravend
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Also if he wanted Fernando to pass to Otamendi than he should of passed the ball to that side of Fernando, forcing him to go that way.
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I would attach no blame to Hart on the pass to Nando. Not read earlier pages but I assume plenty have pointed out that short passes like that to guys who will get closed down will be part of Pep's requirements.
If you wanted to be really picky, you could claim Hart should have passed the ball to the other side of Nando so it was easier for Nando to pass to Ota but nothing excuses Nando's woeful control or slow reactions; not that I want to see Nando crucified.
I do wonder whether Hart should have moved back into is goal more quickly rather than standing telling Nando what to do with the ball? However, staying where he was maybe made him a safer option for back pass: more likely to go for a corner than an o.g. if it went wrong.
If you wanted to be really picky, you could claim Hart should have passed the ball to the other side of Nando so it was easier for Nando to pass to Ota but nothing excuses Nando's woeful control or slow reactions; not that I want to see Nando crucified.
I do wonder whether Hart should have moved back into is goal more quickly rather than standing telling Nando what to do with the ball? However, staying where he was maybe made him a safer option for back pass: more likely to go for a corner than an o.g. if it went wrong.
BlueS
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similar though weren't they? Joe should deffo be doing some work on the training ground with regards to descision making. Obviously didn't help that both times his centre backs have let him down, but it's folly to say it's nothing to do with Joe.
Alex B
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The people blaming Hart are the same ones who moan he just lumps it forwrad. He cant win.
Absolutely not his fault, Fernandos touch and lack of awareness then was the issue. Fernando had a good game after though fair play play to him.
Brilliant penalty save to add to his list.
Another top performance in the big ;eague by Joe. He does love the CL doesnt he.(Needs to stop punching though and start catching)
Absolutely not his fault, Fernandos touch and lack of awareness then was the issue. Fernando had a good game after though fair play play to him.
Brilliant penalty save to add to his list.
Another top performance in the big ;eague by Joe. He does love the CL doesnt he.(Needs to stop punching though and start catching)
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Can't agree. Sure Nando should have done much better but that was a poor option by Joe look carefully and you will see that he fails to see the forward start to move to close down before he passes to Fernando. Given that it was almost half time a hoof would have been better or better still look at the amount of space our fullback has with nobody moving towards him. If Joe decks this and delivers a decent pass in front of his man we are on our way forward. A lot of people on here won't have noticed that but a certain man most likely watching the game down in the South of Germany will have.