Terry racism trial, this is going to get nasty

[Dirty Harry]

So lets get this straight, Mr Ferdinand does not know what happened at all. He admits he did not hear any remark at the time, even after the game which was cleared up in discussions between the two and Ashley Cole.

He then goes home, sits with his Mrs and she tells him what happened. He then reports the offence and we have a guy charged and a subsequent court case.

This is what we know fact. From the horses mouth (literally) .

An absolute joke of a case, while I am no fan of Terry or Ferdinand surely there are other motives in all of this.

A witch hunt, agents advice, Mrs advice and we now have a court show with individuals and reporters viewing just to be seen at the event.

Should never be in court .........

If you've read it wrong, then I have too bud, the evidence seems to be extremely flimsy to say the least reading thus far.

I'm sure I read they brought in 'lip-readers' to view the evidence at some point? If they have and they say there is ANY doubt then Terry will walk, seems like a sham of a case up to now.

 

[Dubai Blue]

I don't really understand UK law. You can call someone ginger **** 7 days a week for 365 days a year for 50 years solid with no charge. One way to insult wes brown!

But you can be nicked for calling someone a black ****. The equality doesn't always work out!

It's all about historical context.

Ginger people weren't routinely rounded up as slaves and shipped off to the other side of the world. Ginger people have never been barred from using public transport or been forced to go to different schools. They have never been singled out as a group and denied the vote either, or access to employment.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be no more inclined to call a stranger a 'ginger ****' as I would be to call him a 'black ****' as they're both ridiculous things to come out with, but surely you can see why discrimination on the basis of someone's colour must be seen to be stamped out and why it is a much more significant issue than referencing someone's hair colour.

It's like the braindead idiots who say calling someone a Paki is exactly the same as calling someone a Brit; they completely ignore the historical context.

Anyway, back to the trial. It appears that this is all going to hinge on whether Terry's defence team can persuade the magistrate that there's a chance Ferdinand uttered the words 'black ****' first. If they can do that, he gets off.

 

[Dubai Blue]

I'm sure I read they brought in 'lip-readers' to view the evidence at some point?

They have, and I have no idea why, as Terry fully accepts that the clip in question shows him saying the words 'fucking black ****'.

The more I hear about this, the more John Terry's seemingly bizarre defence begins to actually hold up to scrutiny. All the people involved accept that immediately after the game (and before this footage had gone viral) Terry was under the impression that Ferdinand had accused him of being racist. Whether Ferdinand did make that accusation or not, it's clear Terry thought that was the case.

 

[Dirty Harry]

I'm sure I read they brought in 'lip-readers' to view the evidence at some point?

They have, and I have no idea why, as Terry fully accepts that the clip in question shows him saying the words 'fucking black ****'.

The more I hear about this, the more John Terry's seemingly bizarre defence begins to actually hold up to scrutiny. All the people involved accept that immediately after the game (and before this footage had gone viral) Terry was under the impression that Ferdinand had accused him of being racist. Whether Ferdinand did make that accusation or not, it's clear Terry thought that was the case.

You'll have to excuse me DB as I'm not really up to speed with what's gone on recently bud.

My understanding simply put is that Terry denied the allegation and that he called Ferdinand 'a blind ****', lip-readers say no, he said 'a black ****'.

From your comments above is it now the case that Terry has accepted this and admits to saying it, or rather 'admits' it shows him saying it on the clip, (now that is bizarre to me) ?

I'm confused mate.

 

[mancity dan]

What a joke of a court case, even if Terry is found guilty all he will get will be a maximum £2500 fine.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Does seem a joke, all it seems to confirm is something we already suspected, that is Ashley Cole is a twat.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

What a joke of a court case, even if Terry is found guilty all he will get will be a maximum £2500 fine.

And a lengthy ban in football. It is a joke but the police have duty to do their job when someone makes a complaint

 

[Dribble]

It is not as you suggest. Evidence of bad character is usually used to show that you cant rely on what the witness is saying i.e. "he has 4 convictions for burglary so he is clearly a dishonest person. If he is dishonest how can you believe what he is saying today in court". Presumably they believe they have evidence of Ferdinand saying something or doing something that would cast doubt on his evidence in the same way.

Aye, understand what you say but coupled with the 'video evidence', can anyone see any other outcome than guilty?

Yes. If you read the thread you will see that, based on the video evidence, the only possible outcome is not guilty.

There is now a point in civil law that was brought in with the reformation of the criminal justice bill which states 'On the balance of probability'. There is no longer a need to prove absolutely that a person is in the wrong if there is enough evidence that points to the fact that in all probability they did it......

This can be contrasted with a criminal case where the standard is beyond reasonable doubt, which is very near to 100% certaintly before the defendant can be found guilty. So in short the prosecution doesn't have to 'conclusively' prove that Terry uttered those words because he has already admitted that he did, the argument will now centre around the circumstances in which they were uttered and based on the evidence and Terry's character there is a chance that he may well be found guilty.

 

[The_mace]

It's not about the fine. But the damage to his reputation.

Will anyone other than Chelsea employ this fucker? He won't (hopefully) be able to become a pundit or a coach elsewhere.

Him and his family are scum of the earth.

His brother shagged his team-mate's girlfriend and his team mate killed himself because of it.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

It's not about the fine. But the damage to his reputation.

Will anyone other than Chelsea employ this fucker? He won't (hopefully) be able to become a pundit or a coach elsewhere.

Him and his family are scum of the earth.

His brother shagged his team-mate's girlfriend and his team mate killed himself because of it.

I dont think footballers on £150k a week are too worried about staying in the game afterwards to keep the money coming in