Terry racism trial, this is going to get nasty

[The_mace]

It's not about the fine. But the damage to his reputation.

Will anyone other than Chelsea employ this fucker? He won't (hopefully) be able to become a pundit or a coach elsewhere.

Him and his family are scum of the earth.

His brother shagged his team-mate's girlfriend and his team mate killed himself because of it.

I dont think footballers on £150k a week are too worried about staying in the game afterwards to keep the money coming in

Of course, but is he going to be happy to just play golf for the next 50-60 years of his life?

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

It's not about the fine. But the damage to his reputation.

Will anyone other than Chelsea employ this fucker? He won't (hopefully) be able to become a pundit or a coach elsewhere.

Him and his family are scum of the earth.

His brother shagged his team-mate's girlfriend and his team mate killed himself because of it.

I dont think footballers on £150k a week are too worried about staying in the game afterwards to keep the money coming in

Of course, but is he going to be happy to just play golf for the next 50-60 years of his life?

Im not sure, he will always have a job at Chelsea anyway. Even one of those pointless jobs that just means he turns up and hangs about. Footballers these days just retire, later than ever now and with no need to become a manager, coach, pundit, international humanitarian, new rambo, etc. The other thing is if you think Terry will be hamstrung by this than Suarez would be stuck at liverpool but clearly isn't

 

[Dubai Blue]

It's not about the fine. But the damage to his reputation.

Will anyone other than Chelsea employ this fucker? He won't (hopefully) be able to become a pundit or a coach elsewhere.

Him and his family are scum of the earth.

His brother shagged his team-mate's girlfriend and his team mate killed himself because of it.

I dont think footballers on £150k a week are too worried about staying in the game afterwards to keep the money coming in

Of course, but is he going to be happy to just play golf for the next 50-60 years of his life?

It's only the British media that boycotts these sort of people for life. For example, Ron Atkinson and Rodney Marsh found plenty of media work throughout (ironically enough) SE Asia, the Middle East and Africa. If, for some reason, Terry wanted to go into TV, he'd find no shortage of offers from the Middle East; he seems to spend most of his time here as it is!!

 

[Dubai Blue]

I'm sure I read they brought in 'lip-readers' to view the evidence at some point?

They have, and I have no idea why, as Terry fully accepts that the clip in question shows him saying the words 'fucking black ****'.

The more I hear about this, the more John Terry's seemingly bizarre defence begins to actually hold up to scrutiny. All the people involved accept that immediately after the game (and before this footage had gone viral) Terry was under the impression that Ferdinand had accused him of being racist. Whether Ferdinand did make that accusation or not, it's clear Terry thought that was the case.

You'll have to excuse me DB as I'm not really up to speed with what's gone on recently bud.

My understanding simply put is that Terry denied the allegation and that he called Ferdinand 'a blind ****', lip-readers say no, he said 'a black ****'.

From your comments above is it now the case that Terry has accepted this and admits to saying it, or rather 'admits' it shows him saying it on the clip, (now that is bizarre to me) ?

I'm confused mate.

Right from when this all started Terry has never denied saying the words 'fucking black ****'; he's argued about the context in which it was used. I've pointed this out every time the whole 'blind' vs 'black' argument starts on here, but very few seem to take it on board!!

His version (and this hasn't changed over the intervening months) is that as his war of words with Ferdinand escalated, he believed that AF accused him of calling him a 'fucking black ****'. What Terry says we can see on the Sky clip is him incredulously saying 'Fuck off.....(he's claiming) I called him a fucking black ****. The fucking knobhead.'

Terry was so incensed by this accusation that immediately after the game he asked a steward to bring Ferdinand out of the dressing room so he could speak to him. He asks AF if he accused him of calling him a 'black ****'. He says no. They then both agreed it was all just handbags and shook hands.

I can only see 'not guilty' in this case. There was that much abuse being thrown about that it's perfectly plausible that Terry thought he heard something he didn't. And the fact that his story has been so consistent helps back him up. Neither come up out of it looking good though.

This is the latest from the case: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2170784/John-Terry-racism-trial-Chelsea-captain-arrives-court-Anton-Ferdinand-showdown.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... wdown.html</a>

 

[Dirty Harry]

Cheers for that DB, appreciated.

Some things still trouble me though, I'm still trying to get my head around a couple of things, maybe they haven't been addressed yet (but will in time), but it seems Ferdinand is saying he was unaware of that 'fuckin black ****' conversation on the pitch, if that's the case, then what was said to cause Terry to reply using those words, regardless of whether it being 'Fuckin black ****' or 'fuckin black **** ?', if Ferdinand (is claiming he ) had no knowledge, then there would be no reason to say it, the conversation just doesn't add up, it's like someone asking you what time the next bus is and you reply "Cauliflowers are two for a quid in Asda".

The other thing, I'm sure at some point early on after this incident, something was said along the lines that Terry claims he actually said 'fuckin BLIND ****', my memory's pretty hazy there though, could well be something I read on an internet forum so not sure how true that is.

If both the above are an accurate account, then it sounds to me like Terry (like many other defendants) has gone for the old 'muddy the waters as much as possible approach' so that somewhere along the line they can raise a reasonable doubt into the whole situation, and I think it may work.

 

[Coljj]

Court in Terry trial now hearing interview by FA's Jacqueline Kennedy with Terry on 28 Oct 2011

Terry: 'I think he's accusing me of calling him a black c*** in the altercation ... it's clear to say I repeat what he's said'

Terry: 'I've been called a lot of things in my career but being a racist is not one I am prepared to take ... it's not my character at all'

Terry: 'I obviously hear [from Ferdinand] the word 'shagging' & I don't want to say it, but if I have to 'shagging Bridge's missus''

Terry: "i just heard 'calling me a black ****' (from Ferdinand). I was quite taken aback by that."

Terry: "I did a lot of things in my football career and private life, but (racism) one thing I didn't take kindly to at all"

Terry: "i said to Ash shortly after 'he's accused me of being a racist'"

Terry: 'I said I needed to speak to Anton. I'm not f****** having him thinking that of me. I got showered sharpish so I could speak to him'


Terry: 'We know about all the camera angles [in modern football]. If I had something to hide I could whisper it into someone's ear'

 

[Dubai Blue]

Cheers for that DB, appreciated.

Some things still trouble me though, I'm still trying to get my head around a couple of things, maybe they haven't been addressed yet (but will in time), but it seems Ferdinand is saying he was unaware of that 'fuckin black ****' conversation on the pitch, if that's the case, then what was said to cause Terry to reply using those words, regardless of whether it being 'Fuckin black ****' or 'fuckin black **** ?', if Ferdinand (is claiming he ) had no knowledge, then there would be no reason to say it, the conversation just doesn't add up, it's like someone asking you what time the next bus is and you reply "Cauliflowers are two for a quid in Asda".

The other thing, I'm sure at some point early on after this incident, something was said along the lines that Terry claims he actually said 'fuckin BLIND ****', my memory's pretty hazy there though, could well be something I read on an internet forum so not sure how true that is.

If both the above are an accurate account, then it sounds to me like Terry (like many other defendants) has gone for the old 'muddy the waters as much as possible approach' so that somewhere along the line they can raise a reasonable doubt into the whole situation, and I think it may work.

As far as I'm aware, Terry never claimed to have said 'blind ****', although it was debated endlessly on here and many other forums at the time.

In hindsight, it looks like he's attempting to muddy the waters, but the immediacy of him contacting AF at full-time to address the issue supports the notion that he was genuinely taken aback by the (phantom?) accusation that he'd said something racist.

Had he been alerted by his agent that the incriminating video was doing the rounds and told to concoct this story? Well, they were very quick off the mark if that was the case. Or maybe he knew he'd said something wrong so decided off his own back to come up with an excuse in anticipation of it being spotted by the cameras. But is he really that bright? I doubt it.

Alternatively, he's simply telling the truth and genuinely believed such an accusation had been made. I have no idea how he came to the conclusion that such an allegation had been levelled at him (that will surely have to be addressed), but his actions immediately after the game are those of someone who genuinely believes they've been wronged.

It's a strange one, and if Terry is making all this up, he's played an absolute blinder.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Cheers for that DB, appreciated.

Some things still trouble me though, I'm still trying to get my head around a couple of things, maybe they haven't been addressed yet (but will in time), but it seems Ferdinand is saying he was unaware of that 'fuckin black ****' conversation on the pitch, if that's the case, then what was said to cause Terry to reply using those words, regardless of whether it being 'Fuckin black ****' or 'fuckin black **** ?', if Ferdinand (is claiming he ) had no knowledge, then there would be no reason to say it, the conversation just doesn't add up, it's like someone asking you what time the next bus is and you reply "Cauliflowers are two for a quid in Asda".

The other thing, I'm sure at some point early on after this incident, something was said along the lines that Terry claims he actually said 'fuckin BLIND ****', my memory's pretty hazy there though, could well be something I read on an internet forum so not sure how true that is.

If both the above are an accurate account, then it sounds to me like Terry (like many other defendants) has gone for the old 'muddy the waters as much as possible approach' so that somewhere along the line they can raise a reasonable doubt into the whole situation, and I think it may work.

As far as I'm aware, Terry never claimed to have said 'blind ****', although it was debated endlessly on here and many other forums at the time.

In hindsight, it looks like he's attempting to muddy the waters, but the immediacy of him contacting AF at full-time to address the issue supports the notion that he was genuinely taken aback by the (phantom?) accusation that he'd said something racist.

Had he been alerted by his agent that the incriminating video was doing the rounds and told to concoct this story? Well, they were very quick off the mark if that was the case. Or maybe he knew he'd said something wrong so decided off his own back to come up with an excuse in anticipation of it being spotted by the cameras. But is he really that bright? I doubt it.

Alternatively, he's simply telling the truth and genuinely believed such an accusation had been made. I have no idea how he came to the conclusion that such an allegation had been levelled at him (that will surely have to be addressed), but his actions immediately after the game are those of someone who genuinely believes they've been wronged.

It's a strange one, and if Terry is making all this up, he's played an absolute blinder.

Hasn't this case been brought to court as a result of a complaint from a member of the public? If that is the case what AF heard or didn't hear is pretty much irrelevant isn't it? A member of the public has been offended by the language Terry used, does it really matter what context he used it in???

 

[Dubai Blue]

Does it really matter what context he used it in???

Yes, it does. Context is everything when dealing with potentially racist language.

Not sure who alerted the authorities, to be honest. But as the conversation involved Anton Ferdinand, his views on the matter are obviously important.

 

[stony]

If Terry is found guilty what is the maximum punishment the court can dish out ?