Terry racism trial, this is going to get nasty

[kev1961]

theres as much chance as terry getting found guilty as steven gerrard or harry rednapp.

fuckin right as well.

thats all anton ferdinand will be remembered for the useless ****.

 

[cookster]

Terry's a **** and Ferdinand is a ****!

What a waste of tax payers money.

 

[ForzaMancini]

People start questioning what he said when they watch it in slo-mo, watch it in full speed and trust your first instinct, it's clear as day, horrible racist.

Anyway Terry claims he said "Oi, Anton (I didn't call you a) black ****". So he has already admitted the second part. So the only question is whether in the split second that someones head passed in front of his that he had the time to say "I didn't call you a". He didn't.

And where does Anton Ferdinand's character come into it? He wasn't the one who accused Terry of it, does a bad character deserve racist abuse or what?

I've said it a few times on here - Terry is innocent if the only evidence they have is that clip. It's inconclusive as to what he actually said in full. A jury HAVE to find him not guilty.

John Terry is a **** of the highest order - I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire - unfortunately, if that is all the evidence they have then he will walk free an innocent man.

I've said this from the start. I really can't see him being found guilty, and if he does get found not guilty, the there's fuck all the FA can do. Everyone knows what Terry said, he knows it as well, but he'll get away with it as the video clip does have a break in it. A good lawyer will get him off with it. Oh, and he'll play for England again.

My take on the whole thing is that people like Cole, Welbeck, Lescott, Young etc, etc all decided to line up next to him in an England shirt. They should have approached the FA and said they would not consider playing alongside him in the national team. This whole incident shows professional footballers up for what they really are - just a bunch of rich kids with no morals. Oh, and before anyone asks, yes I would have refused to play alongside him if I was a black player. The Chelsea players probably have it more difficult, as it is their employer, but when it comes to England they have a choice.

That is bullshit to be fair. It is not for them to decide if he is guilty or not and what a bunch of idiots they would look like if they did that only for it to be proven Terry wasn't guilty.

 

[Anonymous]

Exactly, you're a bad character so I am allowed to call you x, y and z. Clutching at straws really.

What a ****.

It is not as you suggest. Evidence of bad character is usually used to show that you cant rely on what the witness is saying i.e. "he has 4 convictions for burglary so he is clearly a dishonest person. If he is dishonest how can you believe what he is saying today in court". Presumably they believe they have evidence of Ferdinand saying something or doing something that would cast doubt on his evidence in the same way.

Aye, understand what you say but coupled with the 'video evidence', can anyone see any other outcome than guilty?

 

[CBlue]

Exactly, you're a bad character so I am allowed to call you x, y and z. Clutching at straws really.

What a ****.

It is not as you suggest. Evidence of bad character is usually used to show that you cant rely on what the witness is saying i.e. "he has 4 convictions for burglary so he is clearly a dishonest person. If he is dishonest how can you believe what he is saying today in court". Presumably they believe they have evidence of Ferdinand saying something or doing something that would cast doubt on his evidence in the same way.

Aye, understand what you say but coupled with the 'video evidence', can anyone see any other outcome than guilty?

Yes. If you read the thread you will see that, based on the video evidence, the only possible outcome is not guilty.

 

[cibaman]

I thought I had read that Ferdinand didnt actually hear what Terry said to him at the time? He was only told about it after the youtube video was published. In which case his evidence wouldnt be that significant and there would be no need to show bad character?

 

[mrcunny]

Terry's a **** and Ferdinand is a ****!

What a waste of tax payers money.

correct..i feel exactly the same

 

[bluemike]

Terry's a **** and Ferdinand is a ****!

What a waste of tax payers money.

correct..i feel exactly the same

And their brothers are cunts!

 

[Barney Daniels]

The alleged offence is summary only so can not be tried at Crown Court, so it will not be tried in front of a jury but either a panel of three lay magistrates or more likely by a District Judge.

If Terry is convicted, he will be able to appeal to the Crown Court and the whole thing will be re-tried before a Crown Court Judge and two lay magistrates.

With regard to Bad Character, it has been said to me that Terry's explanation of his red card against Barcalona (say something then have to backtrack when TV shows otherwise) could be considered under the bad charcater rules but I would be surprised if anyone has the balls to argue it.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

As I repeatedly maintain in any profession with a decent code of conduct he would have been suspended until the trial was over.