twinkletoes
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He hasnt done himself any favours with his latest interview.
Perhaps some bridge building with the manager would have been a better idea.
Perhaps some bridge building with the manager would have been a better idea.
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Tevez to return (Merged)
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AdamManCity
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It just sums him up that everytime you see him interviewed he's wearing clothes with his name and number on them, he's a selfish twat and he's only coming back because he hasn't had a pay cheque in a while, well I'll certainly make his 'challenge' of winning back city fans as hard as possible
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EalingBlue2 said:The truth is this is more complex than we know and some things are being painted as black and white even if they are not. Ie if tevez apologises and comes back it is no guarantee his presence will poison the dressing room, sadly him being trained with the reserves and not being accepted back in could equally upset the dressing room ie he may have a lot of team mates who still like and respect him if they believe he is sincere. There may be some who believe Mancini overreacted. There may be some who fear players being fined or otherwise punished . Who knows? Damage could be done either way and we just don't have the legal, tevez, Mancini, owners, team etc insight to know what is best. We will have to trust khaldoon, Mancini and Vinny to make the best decision
Well said.
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I come at this from a slightly different angle to almost all on here. I am what many on here would consider a "glory hunter," having only started supporting City in early 2009. In my defense, I didn't know anything about the takeover at the time.
So hear me out.
I had gotten into the sport as a result of endless FIFA 2006 World Cup sessions with my old roommate. Having gotten to know many international players names, and been ever so passionate for a virtual version, I decided I wanted to pick an English team (as the Premier League gets by far the most attention over here — and yes, even worse, I'm American). So I researched all the clubs and came to City for a few reasons. My go-to team in aforementioned game was Wales, and Bellamy scored countless goals for me. And after researching respective clubs histories, I decided City was the most natural fit. I'm a Cleveland Indians fan, a team notoriously unlucky which I felt connected me to "Typical City" and it gave me the opportunity to hate Man U, as I knew a few of their supporters over here and they were mostly the dregs, and that United was basically the Yankees equivalent.
Since then I've fallen deeply in love with the club and I've tried to participate here as best and respectful as I can. I can't watch City games with any other person present and I stand no more than three feet from the TV, clapping and audibly complaining about decisions.
This may all seem rather silly to many, and I don't blame you. But I would put my passion for City up against any on here. I am in this now for life. I do however think this "outside" perspective gives me a different insight.
I think the sentiment of 'title at all costs' is perfectly understandable, and certainly not something that reflects poorly on the City fans who hold that view. And if Tevez were to come back harmoniously and score important goals in the run in and City won the title, their thoughts would likely have been proven accurate.
Even if he were to come back, I don't think his return would help the team. It would certainly upset whoever who loses playing time (guessing Dzeko here and Mario to a lesser extent), and probably not sit well with many others, regardless of their public statements. Tevez did not just disrespect the fans and Mancini, but his teammates perhaps most of all, and I don't think that's something lightly forgotten. And can he really be trusted, after all that has transpired, to keep his mouth shut, his head down and let his play do the talking?
I think we had a post-Christmas downturn just as we did last year (not helped by the officiating), but that things are starting to turn around. Unlike many I don't think he's necessary to win the title.
I think it's folly to expect positive results if he returns. Everything about Tevez' relationship with City up to now screams to me that this latest return on his part — countered by the statements by players and Mancini — is only more gamesmanship in the battle of will and LEGAL ISSUES between Tevez and Kia versus City. They're trying to create a scenario in which they can claim Tevez is not being selected for the required number of games, and can void his contract, THEREBY ALSO ENSURING even higher wages from Milan and a bigger agent fee for Kia.
We scored a great victory over them during the transfer window, and made a clear statement that the club is no longer a pushover and has joined the European elite in not just performance but also image and perception (and frankly seems more a more professional, business-wise club than its competitors both domestic and abroad). Tevez and Kia desperately wanted to join Milan, and were more or less actively colluding (as evidenced by public statements and the refusal to accept terms with other clubs) with the Italian outfit to engineer a cut-price move.
Khaldoon famously laid the smack down in clear terms, slamming Milan, which could only infuriate the Tevez camp. Some argue that the reason why he is coming back now is to collect wages, but I think it's just as likely that they're deliberately attempting to sow division in order to further "persuade" City to accept a lower fee than we desire, by making himself such a toxic part that it would be worth it to accept a cheap deal.
The interview itself does nothing to dissuade my view (I have read the translated Twitter version on here, and don't have any Sky coverage). There are not-so subtle hints that there has been no change in attitude from the Tevez camp toward Mancini. The public perception, certainly inflamed by media outlets, will be that he has made no legitimate apology (he even says in the interview that he doesn't feel he did anything wrong) and has usurped Mancini's authority, undermining the manager's position. (This is predicated on him not making a public, sincere — or at least seemingly sincere, without equivocation — apology. If he were to do that, then that would clear the air for his return to the pitch.)
Of course I could be entirely wrong, in which you can all point to me and scoff and say how naive I was. But until we're getting glowing training reports and eventually on the pitch performance, coupled with a general media silence (if not in totality, in spirit i.e. avoiding controversial statements), I have little doubt that this is just one more ploy in this continuing game of Chicken. Maybe it's because I'm not personally, first hand invested in City's history that lets me take a detached view. But in terms of public relations this interview, on the eve of his return, offers no real olive branch and leaves enough doubt regarding his intentions to create a swirl of negative attention and doubt when City can least afford it.
*Fuck me it's nearly 5 a.m. here and I just wrote 1,000 words, I think that's proof I'm not actually an uncaring "glory hunter."
So hear me out.
I had gotten into the sport as a result of endless FIFA 2006 World Cup sessions with my old roommate. Having gotten to know many international players names, and been ever so passionate for a virtual version, I decided I wanted to pick an English team (as the Premier League gets by far the most attention over here — and yes, even worse, I'm American). So I researched all the clubs and came to City for a few reasons. My go-to team in aforementioned game was Wales, and Bellamy scored countless goals for me. And after researching respective clubs histories, I decided City was the most natural fit. I'm a Cleveland Indians fan, a team notoriously unlucky which I felt connected me to "Typical City" and it gave me the opportunity to hate Man U, as I knew a few of their supporters over here and they were mostly the dregs, and that United was basically the Yankees equivalent.
Since then I've fallen deeply in love with the club and I've tried to participate here as best and respectful as I can. I can't watch City games with any other person present and I stand no more than three feet from the TV, clapping and audibly complaining about decisions.
This may all seem rather silly to many, and I don't blame you. But I would put my passion for City up against any on here. I am in this now for life. I do however think this "outside" perspective gives me a different insight.
I think the sentiment of 'title at all costs' is perfectly understandable, and certainly not something that reflects poorly on the City fans who hold that view. And if Tevez were to come back harmoniously and score important goals in the run in and City won the title, their thoughts would likely have been proven accurate.
Even if he were to come back, I don't think his return would help the team. It would certainly upset whoever who loses playing time (guessing Dzeko here and Mario to a lesser extent), and probably not sit well with many others, regardless of their public statements. Tevez did not just disrespect the fans and Mancini, but his teammates perhaps most of all, and I don't think that's something lightly forgotten. And can he really be trusted, after all that has transpired, to keep his mouth shut, his head down and let his play do the talking?
I think we had a post-Christmas downturn just as we did last year (not helped by the officiating), but that things are starting to turn around. Unlike many I don't think he's necessary to win the title.
I think it's folly to expect positive results if he returns. Everything about Tevez' relationship with City up to now screams to me that this latest return on his part — countered by the statements by players and Mancini — is only more gamesmanship in the battle of will and LEGAL ISSUES between Tevez and Kia versus City. They're trying to create a scenario in which they can claim Tevez is not being selected for the required number of games, and can void his contract, THEREBY ALSO ENSURING even higher wages from Milan and a bigger agent fee for Kia.
We scored a great victory over them during the transfer window, and made a clear statement that the club is no longer a pushover and has joined the European elite in not just performance but also image and perception (and frankly seems more a more professional, business-wise club than its competitors both domestic and abroad). Tevez and Kia desperately wanted to join Milan, and were more or less actively colluding (as evidenced by public statements and the refusal to accept terms with other clubs) with the Italian outfit to engineer a cut-price move.
Khaldoon famously laid the smack down in clear terms, slamming Milan, which could only infuriate the Tevez camp. Some argue that the reason why he is coming back now is to collect wages, but I think it's just as likely that they're deliberately attempting to sow division in order to further "persuade" City to accept a lower fee than we desire, by making himself such a toxic part that it would be worth it to accept a cheap deal.
The interview itself does nothing to dissuade my view (I have read the translated Twitter version on here, and don't have any Sky coverage). There are not-so subtle hints that there has been no change in attitude from the Tevez camp toward Mancini. The public perception, certainly inflamed by media outlets, will be that he has made no legitimate apology (he even says in the interview that he doesn't feel he did anything wrong) and has usurped Mancini's authority, undermining the manager's position. (This is predicated on him not making a public, sincere — or at least seemingly sincere, without equivocation — apology. If he were to do that, then that would clear the air for his return to the pitch.)
Of course I could be entirely wrong, in which you can all point to me and scoff and say how naive I was. But until we're getting glowing training reports and eventually on the pitch performance, coupled with a general media silence (if not in totality, in spirit i.e. avoiding controversial statements), I have little doubt that this is just one more ploy in this continuing game of Chicken. Maybe it's because I'm not personally, first hand invested in City's history that lets me take a detached view. But in terms of public relations this interview, on the eve of his return, offers no real olive branch and leaves enough doubt regarding his intentions to create a swirl of negative attention and doubt when City can least afford it.
*Fuck me it's nearly 5 a.m. here and I just wrote 1,000 words, I think that's proof I'm not actually an uncaring "glory hunter."
I looked into my Crystal Ball and saw......Tevez return to Manchester fall in Love with a local girl (a City fan). City win the Premier league ten seasons in a row. Tevez and Agureo form the greatest strike force ever, 30 goals a season each. And we all lived happy ever after.
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EalingBlue2 said:The truth is this is more complex than we know and some things are being painted as black and white even if they are not. Ie if tevez apologises and comes back it is no guarantee his presence will poison the dressing room, sadly him being trained with the reserves and not being accepted back in could equally upset the dressing room ie he may have a lot of team mates who still like and respect him if they believe he is sincere. There may be some who believe Mancini overreacted. There may be some who fear players being fined or otherwise punished . Who knows? Damage could be done either way and we just don't have the legal, tevez, Mancini, owners, team etc insight to know what is best. We will have to trust khaldoon, Mancini and Vinny to make the best decision
Exactly , we trust them on everything else , we have to on this.
pjryan said:I looked into my Crystal Ball and saw......Tevez return to Manchester fall in Love with a local girl (a City fan). City win the Premier league ten seasons in a row. Tevez and Agureo form the greatest strike force ever, 30 goals a season each. And we all lived happy ever after.
Crystal Meths more like
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Lets not kid ourselves whether in self interest or not coming back will be brutal!
Let's also not kid ourselves he could walk away from football today have a very cushy life in Argentina and very little grief if he wanted. If he comes back it is because he wants to play football again and make more from the game and he is prepared to chance it working if he comes back. Is he though mentally tough enough to deal with what comes his way?
This is not sympathy it is reality!
I do reckon most people in his shoes with his money would cop out and stay in Argentina.
Chances of us sueing him there and getting anything back bar big bills somewhere between 0 and zero<br /><br />-- Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:58 am --<br /><br />Lets not kid ourselves whether in self interest or not coming back will be brutal!
Let's also not kid ourselves he could walk away from football today have a very cushy life in Argentina and very little grief if he wanted. If he comes back it is because he wants to play football again and make more from the game and he is prepared to chance it working if he comes back. Is he though mentally tough enough to deal with what comes his way?
This is not sympathy it is reality!
I do reckon most people in his shoes with his money would cop out and stay in Argentina.
Chances of us sueing him there and getting anything back bar big bills somewhere between 0 and zero
Let's also not kid ourselves he could walk away from football today have a very cushy life in Argentina and very little grief if he wanted. If he comes back it is because he wants to play football again and make more from the game and he is prepared to chance it working if he comes back. Is he though mentally tough enough to deal with what comes his way?
This is not sympathy it is reality!
I do reckon most people in his shoes with his money would cop out and stay in Argentina.
Chances of us sueing him there and getting anything back bar big bills somewhere between 0 and zero<br /><br />-- Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:58 am --<br /><br />Lets not kid ourselves whether in self interest or not coming back will be brutal!
Let's also not kid ourselves he could walk away from football today have a very cushy life in Argentina and very little grief if he wanted. If he comes back it is because he wants to play football again and make more from the game and he is prepared to chance it working if he comes back. Is he though mentally tough enough to deal with what comes his way?
This is not sympathy it is reality!
I do reckon most people in his shoes with his money would cop out and stay in Argentina.
Chances of us sueing him there and getting anything back bar big bills somewhere between 0 and zero