The Boxing thread

[jay_mcfc]

Another display of shit punditry by Jim Watt again last night. Does this man have dirt on the sky execs? How the fuck is he still in the job?! As is the Jim Watt blueprint, he basically decided who he was gonna score all the rounds for after about 5 minutes and just ignore every shot that the other guy lands. In this case he was ridiculously biased in favour of Froch.

I had Groves a round up going into the 8th and he was winning the 8th up till the KO. Although I am happy Froch proved the doubters wrong yet again.

I agree I thought Jim Watt was an absolute disgrace last night. He wasn't the only one though, when that guy asked Amir Khan what he thought of the fight so far, Amir said Groves was looking comfortable and was on top, in which the guy then said 'You mean Froch right'? It really was like there was an A.G.E.N.D.A but I'm not sure you're allowed to say that about boxing

 

[NI Blue]

Scary thing is Groves thought he had got up immediately !!!!!!

 

[117 M34]

Another display of shit punditry by Jim Watt again last night. Does this man have dirt on the sky execs? How the fuck is he still in the job?! As is the Jim Watt blueprint, he basically decided who he was gonna score all the rounds for after about 5 minutes and just ignore every shot that the other guy lands. In this case he was ridiculously biased in favour of Froch.

I had Groves a round up going into the 8th and he was winning the 8th up till the KO. Although I am happy Froch proved the doubters wrong yet again.

I agree I thought Jim Watt was an absolute disgrace last night. He wasn't the only one though, when that guy asked Amir Khan what he thought of the fight so far, Amir said Groves was looking comfortable and was on top, in which the guy then said 'You mean Froch right'? It really was like there was an A.G.E.N.D.A but I'm not sure you're allowed to say that about boxing

He specifically asked him do you think froch is on top?
Khan misheard and thought he was talking about groves and said what he said.
Jim Watt corrected the question.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Another display of shit punditry by Jim Watt again last night. Does this man have dirt on the sky execs? How the fuck is he still in the job?! As is the Jim Watt blueprint, he basically decided who he was gonna score all the rounds for after about 5 minutes and just ignore every shot that the other guy lands. In this case he was ridiculously biased in favour of Froch.

I had Groves a round up going into the 8th and he was winning the 8th up till the KO. Although I am happy Froch proved the doubters wrong yet again.

I agree I thought Jim Watt was an absolute disgrace last night. He wasn't the only one though, when that guy asked Amir Khan what he thought of the fight so far, Amir said Groves was looking comfortable and was on top, in which the guy then said 'You mean Froch right'? It really was like there was an A.G.E.N.D.A but I'm not sure you're allowed to say that about boxing

Yeah, Watt does seem to have this habit of picking a fighter from R1 and then brown nosing them throughout the fight.

As for the scorecards, I had Froch 4-3 up but Groves looking like he going to peg it back in the 8th only to get sparked.

What is plan to see is just how naïve Froch was in the first fight thinking he could just breeze past Groves. If he’d have put the same effort in the gym as what he did for this rematch, we probably wouldn’t have had all this malarkey that’s been going on for months, nor would Groves suddenly be tagged as this next World Champ bollocks.

Don’t get me wrong, I believe Groves will go on to win a world belt, but he was put up on this unbelievably high pedestal because of Froch’s arrogance in the build up to the first fight.

Groves will have to have a couple of fights now before he gets a title shot, whereas Degale is unlikely to get one straight away too as Froch will no doubt head to Vegas. Having said that, Groves will fetch more money than Degale at the moment, so there’s a small chance Sakio Bika could seek out Groves for a UK fight as the rest in the WBC ranks simply don’t have any pull.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Poor from groves to get tagged by that just when he was getting a foothold in the fight. fucking hell if you can't defend the old one two then you have no business fighting for world titles. Frochs legend is assured he should call it a day now.

Not fair to say groves has no right boxing for world titles because he got caught by a one two. Pac man walked on to a straight right and is a 7 weight champion, frochs movement and speed of punch done groves the right was coming before the left had tagged him amd it was almost a counter punch as groves had swung, froch done his homework from the last fight and knew groves would throw the left to counter

Spot on mate, most knockout punches come from a "lazy" left jab followed by a straight right , very hard to defend against, check out marciano ko on jersey joe walcot, still the best ko ever imo.

What Groves did wrong was try to throw his left hook when Froch had thrown his straight right - should have tucked his chin in and tried to block. A straight right lands quicker than a left hook. Just a sign of Groves in experience.

 

[buzzer1]

Another display of shit punditry by Jim Watt again last night. Does this man have dirt on the sky execs? How the fuck is he still in the job?! As is the Jim Watt blueprint, he basically decided who he was gonna score all the rounds for after about 5 minutes and just ignore every shot that the other guy lands. In this case he was ridiculously biased in favour of Froch.

I had Groves a round up going into the 8th and he was winning the 8th up till the KO. Although I am happy Froch proved the doubters wrong yet again.

I agree I thought Jim Watt was an absolute disgrace last night. He wasn't the only one though, when that guy asked Amir Khan what he thought of the fight so far, Amir said Groves was looking comfortable and was on top, in which the guy then said 'You mean Froch right'? It really was like there was an A.G.E.N.D.A but I'm not sure you're allowed to say that about boxing

Yeah, Watt does seem to have this habit of picking a fighter from R1 and then brown nosing them throughout the fight.

As for the scorecards, I had Froch 4-3 up but Groves looking like he going to peg it back in the 8th only to get sparked.

What is plan to see is just how naïve Froch was in the first fight thinking he could just breeze past Groves. If he’d have put the same effort in the gym as what he did for this rematch, we probably wouldn’t have had all this malarkey that’s been going on for months, nor would Groves suddenly be tagged as this next World Champ bollocks.

Don’t get me wrong, I believe Groves will go on to win a world belt, but he was put up on this unbelievably high pedestal because of Froch’s arrogance in the build up to the first fight.

Groves will have to have a couple of fights now before he gets a title shot, whereas Degale is unlikely to get one straight away too as Froch will no doubt head to Vegas. Having said that, Groves will fetch more money than Degale at the moment, so there’s a small chance Sakio Bika could seek out Groves for a UK fight as the rest in the WBC ranks simply don’t have any pull.

Don't know much about the Jim Watt carry on but I had Froch ahead, not by a lot but clear enough imo.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

I agree I thought Jim Watt was an absolute disgrace last night. He wasn't the only one though, when that guy asked Amir Khan what he thought of the fight so far, Amir said Groves was looking comfortable and was on top, in which the guy then said 'You mean Froch right'? It really was like there was an A.G.E.N.D.A but I'm not sure you're allowed to say that about boxing

Yeah, Watt does seem to have this habit of picking a fighter from R1 and then brown nosing them throughout the fight.

As for the scorecards, I had Froch 4-3 up but Groves looking like he going to peg it back in the 8th only to get sparked.

What is plan to see is just how naïve Froch was in the first fight thinking he could just breeze past Groves. If he’d have put the same effort in the gym as what he did for this rematch, we probably wouldn’t have had all this malarkey that’s been going on for months, nor would Groves suddenly be tagged as this next World Champ bollocks.

Don’t get me wrong, I believe Groves will go on to win a world belt, but he was put up on this unbelievably high pedestal because of Froch’s arrogance in the build up to the first fight.

Groves will have to have a couple of fights now before he gets a title shot, whereas Degale is unlikely to get one straight away too as Froch will no doubt head to Vegas. Having said that, Groves will fetch more money than Degale at the moment, so there’s a small chance Sakio Bika could seek out Groves for a UK fight as the rest in the WBC ranks simply don’t have any pull.

Don't know much about the Jim Watt carry on but I had Froch ahead, not by a lot but clear enough imo.

Like I said I had Froch up too, 4-3 after the 7th, but I think Watt had him 6-1 up.

 

[buzzer1]

Yeah, Watt does seem to have this habit of picking a fighter from R1 and then brown nosing them throughout the fight.

As for the scorecards, I had Froch 4-3 up but Groves looking like he going to peg it back in the 8th only to get sparked.

What is plan to see is just how naïve Froch was in the first fight thinking he could just breeze past Groves. If he’d have put the same effort in the gym as what he did for this rematch, we probably wouldn’t have had all this malarkey that’s been going on for months, nor would Groves suddenly be tagged as this next World Champ bollocks.

Don’t get me wrong, I believe Groves will go on to win a world belt, but he was put up on this unbelievably high pedestal because of Froch’s arrogance in the build up to the first fight.

Groves will have to have a couple of fights now before he gets a title shot, whereas Degale is unlikely to get one straight away too as Froch will no doubt head to Vegas. Having said that, Groves will fetch more money than Degale at the moment, so there’s a small chance Sakio Bika could seek out Groves for a UK fight as the rest in the WBC ranks simply don’t have any pull.

Don't know much about the Jim Watt carry on but I had Froch ahead, not by a lot but clear enough imo.

Like I said I had Froch up too, 4-3 after the 7th, but I think Watt had him 6-1 up.

6 1 haha, fuk me... maybe 5 2 or 4 3 but never 6 1.. although I can't think why but I lurve that scoreline:)

 

[leighton]

Jim Watt has been gone to shit for years. He calls for his favourite fighter time and time again nothing new there. Need a total reshake of the Sky pundit and comentary teams. I dont mind Johnny Nelson he is good. But on comentary they need someone fresh wouldnt mind seeing Jamie Moore doing it but he is doing some corner work.

As for Adam Booth he has seen it all with Haye and him and Groves worked well. I honestly think if Booth was in Groves corner he would of won the first fight. As for who George fights next easy a fight with a top 10 then a fight with Arthur Abraham for the WBO title. Think both are promoted by Saurland now so that fight is doable.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Jim Watt has been gone to shit for years. He calls for his favourite fighter time and time again nothing new there. Need a total reshake of the Sky pundit and comentary teams. I dont mind Johnny Nelson he is good. But on comentary they need someone fresh wouldnt mind seeing Jamie Moore doing it but he is doing some corner work.

As for Adam Booth he has seen it all with Haye and him and Groves worked well. I honestly think if Booth was in Groves corner he would of won the first fight. As for who George fights next easy a fight with a top 10 then a fight with Arthur Abraham for the WBO title. Think both are promoted by Saurland now so that fight is doable.

They are, however Degale is higher ranked in the WBO and therefore he may get a shot at that once Abraham defends against Paul Smith.

 

[leighton]

Jim Watt has been gone to shit for years. He calls for his favourite fighter time and time again nothing new there. Need a total reshake of the Sky pundit and comentary teams. I dont mind Johnny Nelson he is good. But on comentary they need someone fresh wouldnt mind seeing Jamie Moore doing it but he is doing some corner work.

As for Adam Booth he has seen it all with Haye and him and Groves worked well. I honestly think if Booth was in Groves corner he would of won the first fight. As for who George fights next easy a fight with a top 10 then a fight with Arthur Abraham for the WBO title. Think both are promoted by Saurland now so that fight is doable.

They are, however Degale is higher ranked in the WBO and therefore he may get a shot at that once Abraham defends against Paul Smith.

Degale won't get the Abraham fight he will fight Froch or if Froch vacates a title he will fight for it. More money in the Froch fight for him. As for Paul Smith fair play to him for taking the fight and he is behind all of Groves , Degale and Froch i n British rankings. See Eddie could end up having a strong hand in the Super Middleweight division if Smith were to win it. Groves was silly to sign with Saurland as the bigger money rights for him would be with Hearn. Don't forget Abraham might not have to fight a mandatory for some time but as we all know in boxing money talks.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Jim Watt has been gone to shit for years. He calls for his favourite fighter time and time again nothing new there. Need a total reshake of the Sky pundit and comentary teams. I dont mind Johnny Nelson he is good. But on comentary they need someone fresh wouldnt mind seeing Jamie Moore doing it but he is doing some corner work.

As for Adam Booth he has seen it all with Haye and him and Groves worked well. I honestly think if Booth was in Groves corner he would of won the first fight. As for who George fights next easy a fight with a top 10 then a fight with Arthur Abraham for the WBO title. Think both are promoted by Saurland now so that fight is doable.

They are, however Degale is higher ranked in the WBO and therefore he may get a shot at that once Abraham defends against Paul Smith.

Degale won't get the Abraham fight he will fight Froch or if Froch vacates a title he will fight for it. More money in the Froch fight for him. As for Paul Smith fair play to him for taking the fight and he is behind all of Groves , Degale and Froch i n British rankings. See Eddie could end up having a strong hand in the Super Middleweight division if Smith were to win it. Groves was silly to sign with Saurland as the bigger money rights for him would be with Hearn. Don't forget Abraham might not have to fight a mandatory for some time but as we all know in boxing money talks.

I agree Degale wont get the Abraham fight straight away, mainly because AA is due to fight Smith and Degale wont want to wait too long for a title shot. IMO, Froch will go to Vegas, meaning the IBF title will be vacant and Degale will get a shot at that. If he wins that, he may well get a shot at AA (who I think will beat Paul Smith), due to him also being highly ranked with the WBO. Groves I think will have to have 2 more fights now before another title shot, unless WBC champ Sakio Bika hunts him down, which is possible purely because he'll bring in more money than Degale at the moment, and also because those listed under Bika in the WBC are pretty lame in stature.

 

[without a dream]

They are, however Degale is higher ranked in the WBO and therefore he may get a shot at that once Abraham defends against Paul Smith.

Degale won't get the Abraham fight he will fight Froch or if Froch vacates a title he will fight for it. More money in the Froch fight for him. As for Paul Smith fair play to him for taking the fight and he is behind all of Groves , Degale and Froch i n British rankings. See Eddie could end up having a strong hand in the Super Middleweight division if Smith were to win it. Groves was silly to sign with Saurland as the bigger money rights for him would be with Hearn. Don't forget Abraham might not have to fight a mandatory for some time but as we all know in boxing money talks.

I agree Degale wont get the Abraham fight straight away, mainly because AA is due to fight Smith and Degale wont want to wait too long for a title shot. IMO, Froch will go to Vegas, meaning the IBF title will be vacant and Degale will get a shot at that. If he wins that, he may well get a shot at AA (who I think will beat Paul Smith), due to him also being highly ranked with the WBO. Groves I think will have to have 2 more fights now before another title shot, unless WBC champ Sakio Bika hunts him down, which is possible purely because he'll bring in more money than Degale at the moment, and also because those listed under Bika in the WBC are pretty lame in stature.

He doesn't need to vacate does he? I thought you only needed to fight a mandatory challenger once a year, he's done that, no?

 

[leighton]

Degale won't get the Abraham fight he will fight Froch or if Froch vacates a title he will fight for it. More money in the Froch fight for him. As for Paul Smith fair play to him for taking the fight and he is behind all of Groves , Degale and Froch i n British rankings. See Eddie could end up having a strong hand in the Super Middleweight division if Smith were to win it. Groves was silly to sign with Saurland as the bigger money rights for him would be with Hearn. Don't forget Abraham might not have to fight a mandatory for some time but as we all know in boxing money talks.

I agree Degale wont get the Abraham fight straight away, mainly because AA is due to fight Smith and Degale wont want to wait too long for a title shot. IMO, Froch will go to Vegas, meaning the IBF title will be vacant and Degale will get a shot at that. If he wins that, he may well get a shot at AA (who I think will beat Paul Smith), due to him also being highly ranked with the WBO. Groves I think will have to have 2 more fights now before another title shot, unless WBC champ Sakio Bika hunts him down, which is possible purely because he'll bring in more money than Degale at the moment, and also because those listed under Bika in the WBC are pretty lame in stature.

He doesn't need to vacate does he? I thought you only needed to fight a mandatory challenger once a year, he's done that, no?

He doesn't I think that was Hearn saying in a way if Groves was to win he would be pushing for the mandatory for Degale. Now Froch has won they are exploring the offers. You hear Kesslier wants a third fight that be good but think Carl will went the Ward fight but Ward isn't a big ticket seller compared to Kesslier , Groves and Degale.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

I agree Degale wont get the Abraham fight straight away, mainly because AA is due to fight Smith and Degale wont want to wait too long for a title shot. IMO, Froch will go to Vegas, meaning the IBF title will be vacant and Degale will get a shot at that. If he wins that, he may well get a shot at AA (who I think will beat Paul Smith), due to him also being highly ranked with the WBO. Groves I think will have to have 2 more fights now before another title shot, unless WBC champ Sakio Bika hunts him down, which is possible purely because he'll bring in more money than Degale at the moment, and also because those listed under Bika in the WBC are pretty lame in stature.

He doesn't need to vacate does he? I thought you only needed to fight a mandatory challenger once a year, he's done that, no?

He doesn't I think that was Hearn saying in a way if Groves was to win he would be pushing for the mandatory for Degale. Now Froch has won they are exploring the offers. You hear Kesslier wants a third fight that be good but think Carl will went the Ward fight but Ward isn't a big ticket seller compared to Kesslier , Groves and Degale.

Don’t see the point in hunting down Ward. The stage Froch is at in his career now, he may aswell hunt down Chavez Jr for a Vegas fight in December, then perhaps have Kessler III back in Nottingham next year and retire after that. May aswell get himself one last payday rather than a boring, one-sided defeat to boring Ward.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Degale won't get the Abraham fight he will fight Froch or if Froch vacates a title he will fight for it. More money in the Froch fight for him. As for Paul Smith fair play to him for taking the fight and he is behind all of Groves , Degale and Froch i n British rankings. See Eddie could end up having a strong hand in the Super Middleweight division if Smith were to win it. Groves was silly to sign with Saurland as the bigger money rights for him would be with Hearn. Don't forget Abraham might not have to fight a mandatory for some time but as we all know in boxing money talks.

I agree Degale wont get the Abraham fight straight away, mainly because AA is due to fight Smith and Degale wont want to wait too long for a title shot. IMO, Froch will go to Vegas, meaning the IBF title will be vacant and Degale will get a shot at that. If he wins that, he may well get a shot at AA (who I think will beat Paul Smith), due to him also being highly ranked with the WBO. Groves I think will have to have 2 more fights now before another title shot, unless WBC champ Sakio Bika hunts him down, which is possible purely because he'll bring in more money than Degale at the moment, and also because those listed under Bika in the WBC are pretty lame in stature.

He doesn't need to vacate does he? I thought you only needed to fight a mandatory challenger once a year, he's done that, no?

Apologies, you're right. Bika v Degale would be the only logical outcome then I imagine since Abraham is already tied up.

 

[NipHolmes]

Jim Watt has been gone to shit for years. He calls for his favourite fighter time and time again nothing new there. Need a total reshake of the Sky pundit and comentary teams. I dont mind Johnny Nelson he is good. But on comentary they need someone fresh wouldnt mind seeing Jamie Moore doing it but he is doing some corner work.

As for Adam Booth he has seen it all with Haye and him and Groves worked well. I honestly think if Booth was in Groves corner he would of won the first fight. As for who George fights next easy a fight with a top 10 then a fight with Arthur Abraham for the WBO title. Think both are promoted by Saurland now so that fight is doable.

Johnny 'who wants it more' Nelson is utterly useless!

Best pundit for calling fights in UK is Woodhall, straight down the line and calls a fight well. failing that I rate Paul Smith but Boxnation have him normally as part of his contract with Warren.

Agree about Groves targeting Abraham, think that's a great call.

 

[NipHolmes]

He doesn't need to vacate does he? I thought you only needed to fight a mandatory challenger once a year, he's done that, no?

He doesn't I think that was Hearn saying in a way if Groves was to win he would be pushing for the mandatory for Degale. Now Froch has won they are exploring the offers. You hear Kesslier wants a third fight that be good but think Carl will went the Ward fight but Ward isn't a big ticket seller compared to Kesslier , Groves and Degale.

Don’t see the point in hunting down Ward. The stage Froch is at in his career now, he may aswell hunt down Chavez Jr for a Vegas fight in December, then perhaps have Kessler III back in Nottingham next year and retire after that. May aswell get himself one last payday rather than a boring, one-sided defeat to boring Ward.

Kessler 3 is a pointless fight. Degale represents a bigger challenge and a decent payday too. The best fight isn't any names mentioned, it's Golovkin. Him moving up from MW to fioght Froch would be an absolute war and would be a great fight for both fighters that actually means something. Martinez who is a blown up MW and in decline handled Chavez JR and he was roided up too (hence the bullshit cannabis ban).

So to recap, Froch to fight Golovkin is ideal, if not I like the idea of Froch moving up to fight Kovalev. Both fights are against the best at their divisions rather than beating on some names whom are inferior and likely to lose. Ward handles Froch 100 times outta 100 fights and is pointless, froch was lucky to have scorecards as close as they were.

I think Froch is there for the taking personally, he needed this win hugely and credit where it's due he delivered on a massive scale. Had it gone to 12 as I thought it would, I am totally convinced Groves would have won and that Froch would have crumbled and retired. he hasn't and we move forward, it's now two routes, cash out on fights of little worth or still carry on this epic 'old skool' run of competitive fights and bow out as winner against the elite or go down trying to do so. Froch will be remembered as one of the best teh country as produced, not as good as the ATG Calzaghe but a record that surpasses his.

 

[yeseye]

I was pleased to see Michael Watson being interviewed at the fight on Saturday .
He seemed a lot better then previously, A real fighter.

 

[leighton]

He doesn't I think that was Hearn saying in a way if Groves was to win he would be pushing for the mandatory for Degale. Now Froch has won they are exploring the offers. You hear Kesslier wants a third fight that be good but think Carl will went the Ward fight but Ward isn't a big ticket seller compared to Kesslier , Groves and Degale.

Don’t see the point in hunting down Ward. The stage Froch is at in his career now, he may aswell hunt down Chavez Jr for a Vegas fight in December, then perhaps have Kessler III back in Nottingham next year and retire after that. May aswell get himself one last payday rather than a boring, one-sided defeat to boring Ward.

Kessler 3 is a pointless fight. Degale represents a bigger challenge and a decent payday too. The best fight isn't any names mentioned, it's Golovkin. Him moving up from MW to fioght Froch would be an absolute war and would be a great fight for both fighters that actually means something. Martinez who is a blown up MW and in decline handled Chavez JR and he was roided up too (hence the bullshit cannabis ban).

So to recap, Froch to fight Golovkin is ideal, if not I like the idea of Froch moving up to fight Kovalev. Both fights are against the best at their divisions rather than beating on some names whom are inferior and likely to lose. Ward handles Froch 100 times outta 100 fights and is pointless, froch was lucky to have scorecards as close as they were.

I think Froch is there for the taking personally, he needed this win hugely and credit where it's due he delivered on a massive scale. Had it gone to 12 as I thought it would, I am totally convinced Groves would have won and that Froch would have crumbled and retired. he hasn't and we move forward, it's now two routes, cash out on fights of little worth or still carry on this epic 'old skool' run of competitive fights and bow out as winner against the elite or go down trying to do so. Froch will be remembered as one of the best teh country as produced, not as good as the ATG Calzaghe but a record that surpasses his.

The thing is Carl will want to try and avenge his defeat against Ward. Ward in UK Carl may have a chance in the US no chance. As for GGG v Carl it will mean Carl dropping the weight no chance. GGG will have to move up to Super Middleweight for that fight. Carl in with a banger like GGG and dropping down weight he will be weight drained and against GGG thats going to be too much.
Agree with you about Carl will go down with the best that laced them up in the UK. I loved Joe Calzaghe loved his style the best British boxer / fighter I have seen. I think Carl is up there with him and has never turned down any fight and its a whos who of the boxing he has boxed. Technically not as good as Joe but like Joe a warrior such a shame they never boxed. Also to say that Joe also missed out on fighting Steve Collins when he retired. 2 fights I always wanted to see that never happened sadly.


Also see that Richard Schaefer has left Golden Boy Promotions there is rumours he is going to team up with Al Haymon and may well set up a promotional team to rival Golden Boy and Bob Arum and some of his fighters he is managing is top class. With his main man being Money Mayweather to Amir Khan , Leo Santa Cruz , Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia they seem to think that Golden Boy will fall to bits if these 2 men team up.