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Just watched the fight and chuffed for the lad. Well deserved after the bad luck he's had. As has been alluded to, ultimately it may be a blessing in disguise arriving a bit later on the world scene ... A lot of exciting fights to be made.

I was expecting a narrow points loss at the end though Brook showed good patience and composure to finish the fight well on top, very surprised by the Yank judges.

Oh and yes JWIAC !! I'm no more than a casual fight fan but even I knew he was chatting shite all night ... god only knows what he was seeing, you could feel Halling's exasperation at his downbeat offerings to Brooks ascendancy in the bout, growing with each passing round.
 
Armaan said:
leighton said:
Delighted for Kell he was doing all the clean work. I had him up by a round at the end some of the rounds were very scrappy to call. I think that Kell will do extremely well in this division. You look at the 3 main guys in the division Money , Pacman and Marquez all late 30s this is a old talented pool of fighters but with there age there is always going to be a time when they just go and cant preform as before. Kell is in the right place at the moment and will if manged right have a chance to take over from these guys.
His next fight I will be interested to seeing who they put him in against. I think he will take a top 10 ranked fighter next. Then move on to fight say Khan in a big Summer fight in Wembley. They cant do it this year as there is no big indoor arena that will hold it. I also dont think Khan deserves a shot. The way he said after Kells win that Kell can now fight Amir Khan. Khan has avoided Kell and took the easy fight at times but this will all change.
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If the tables were turned Khan would never give Brook a shot, he's never been interested in fighting Brook his career would be over with that loss and Brook would be the new poster boy of British boxing. Have a feeling Kell can go on to be one of our best ever, so skilled and the patience he showed in that fight yesterday was remarkable.
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Thats the thing now more so than ever Khan needs the Kell fight. He wont get Money fight just yet and a Money fight wont happen for a while depending on how Money gets on Khan would be mad to take on the Money fight straight away Money will more than likely not fight until late 2014 or early 2015 if he wins against Maidana. Kell has the leverage in any deal to be made. Knowing what team Kahn is like they like to do things on the cheap. I remember the lead up to the Paul McCloskey fight and Paul was told either take the fight for x amount or the fight wont happen. Basically Paul was getting more money defending his European title at the stage than compared to the money Team Khan were offering him for a World title fight.
Also Kell has the Sky deal and the PPV options for any potential fight against Khan. Khan wont like coming into a fight and going 50-50 on the split of any PPV numbers with Kell if not a slight bit more for Kell as he is champion. I know if Matchroom are doing it they will want the Kell fight the Hearns made a killing on Groves v Froch they will make a killing on Khan v Brook. Like they would also make a killing on Frampton v Quigg too. Again its about the profile of the fighters Khan has the profile and Brook will too now after this. Like with Frampton and Quigg I would argue Frampton has the bigger profile than Quigg but its what the British public want. I think both fights could well be on next summer if and its a big IF all stay unbeaten and all have big titles in hand. Think Carl has 1 more fight with Boxnation and then he will be a free agent and able to do a deal to fight on Sky if need be. So Carls has Kiko and 1 more fight then free agent and possible fight summer v Quigg on the co PPV with Khan v Brook. Huge numbers biggest PPV for UK.
 
I actually had Kell 4 rounds up but was still biting my nails going to decision over in America.

Had it Kell take 5 of the last 6 with Porter only taking the 12th. Jim Watt is shite, Paulie Malignaggi is great besides its shitty whiney accent.
 
Despite the macho talk from both Brook & Khan post-fight, I would be very surprised to see this fight happen very soon, despite it being a big draw.

Brook has just won the title, and I cannot see Hearn putting him in with Khan as early as December (providing Khan doesn't agree on Guerrero). Hearm will, sensibly may I add, what someone a little easier for Kell to defend against. Even the slightest chance of him losing his title on his first defence will have Hearn worried. I imagine he might get someone in like Bundu or even lower down the IBF rankings and let Kell get a solid defence under his belt. Then he will look at rolling out the mega fights from Spring 2015 onwards. Khan, Bradley etc.

Alexander could be an option, certainly a little risky, but I can't see Brook losing to him on home soil personally.

A decent retainer fight in December, a tasty fight in Spring 2015 and then a mega fight in Summer 2015, perhaps against Khan if he doesn't get his wish against Mayweather.

I'd absolutely piss myself if Brook gets a shot with Mayweather in the Summer, merely to see the look on Khan's face!
 
Watt always seems far too obsessed with who is coming forwards, completely ignoring how scrappy that fighters work is. Porter barely through a clean punch in the second half of the fight and seemed more keen on charging in head first and trying to get a good hug than actually land anything meaningful, but he was coming forwards so that means he's bossing it in Watt's eyes.

Not a great fight to watch, but I thought Kell was the only one even trying to land good shots and he was quitely dominating by the 6th or 7th. I'm surprised Porter has much of a fanbase, his style is very unappealing.

I wouldn't bother trying to get a fight with Khan, I honestly don't think he has done anything to deserve it. It would get a lot of interest in England, but I don't see what Brook gains by beating him other than a decent pile of cash. They are pretty much the opposite of each other in terms of career path, Kell has earnt everything he has while Khan just gets handed opportunity after opportunity. I suppose if they fought then Kell could put the last nail in Khan's coffin and get him out of the way of the big fights in the division (which Khan's name bizarrely get banded around with)
 
Regarding Jim Watt yes he is a shocker no doubting it. Saying that his card and what he was saying was in a way right. Normally the fighter going forward normaly wins the rounds in the US even if they are wild and not landing a lot. Saying that Kell in his last few rounds was the one going forward. So deserved the win.

Next fight for Kell look at the fighters ranked highly in the IBF Dan Ion and Leonarf Bundu and even Frankie Gavin are all ranked highly by the IBF and Kell can beat all. Gavin was beaten by Bundu recently but Bundu is a aging pushing the 40 mark but he has beaten Gavin and Lee Purdy in fights in the UK so far could well be a easy fight made. or Dan Ion who has been fighting out of Canada and the US in recent years so any of those 3 could well be a winable fight for Kell and a not too hard fight to take.

I know that there will be lots of media attention around Kell now just hope Sky and Matchroom keep him on normal Sky for the time being. He will end up taking over the Froch PPV nights when Froch retires but hopefully it isnt for some time yet.
 
even early in the fight Porters 'work' was just windmilling, he looks like hes never had a boxing lesson, tbh Brook deserves loads of credit in the fact that im certain he wont have a more awkward fight ever, thought 2-1 for brook was a gr8 price although i never thought he's get a pts decision over there, oh and yeah jim watt is an awful pundit, does he ever get the winner right when it goes to pts?
 
Anyone seen that Johnny Nelson is pretty much calling out Marco Huck for a fight? Huck isn't all that, but Nelson is surely deluding himself if he thinks this is a good idea. He's 47 ffs and retired a decade ago, surely someone will have to talk some sense into him? It's a shame to see him getting dragged into this sort of thing tbh as I find him pretty likeable on the Sky coverage, it's a bit sad to see his ego dragging him back into something he really shouldn't be doing.
 
BigOscar said:
Watt always seems far too obsessed with who is coming forwards, completely ignoring how scrappy that fighters work is. Porter barely through a clean punch in the second half of the fight and seemed more keen on charging in head first and trying to get a good hug than actually land anything meaningful, but he was coming forwards so that means he's bossing it in Watt's eyes.

Not a great fight to watch, but I thought Kell was the only one even trying to land good shots and he was quitely dominating by the 6th or 7th. I'm surprised Porter has much of a fanbase, his style is very unappealing.

I wouldn't bother trying to get a fight with Khan, I honestly don't think he has done anything to deserve it. It would get a lot of interest in England, but I don't see what Brook gains by beating him other than a decent pile of cash. They are pretty much the opposite of each other in terms of career path, Kell has earnt everything he has while Khan just gets handed opportunity after opportunity. I suppose if they fought then Kell could put the last nail in Khan's coffin and get him out of the way of the big fights in the division (which Khan's name bizarrely get banded around with)
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Watt is such a poor excuse for a commentator. No idea how he got the job.
 
BigOscar said:
Anyone seen that Johnny Nelson is pretty much calling out Marco Huck for a fight? Huck isn't all that, but Nelson is surely deluding himself if he thinks this is a good idea. He's 47 ffs and retired a decade ago, surely someone will have to talk some sense into him? It's a shame to see him getting dragged into this sort of thing tbh as I find him pretty likeable on the Sky coverage, it's a bit sad to see his ego dragging him back into something he really shouldn't be doing.
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He was asked about the fight. Said he needs 6 months but thinks he could spark out Huck. I dont know I think at his age and so long out of the gym its a hugh risk even if he was to go sparring against the elite for say 3 months and see how stronger they are now and take it from there. IF not I would hope he would see sense and stay retired. He is a highlight of the Sky coverage.

Also good luck to Carl The Jackal Frampton this weekend in his World Title fight with Kiko beaten Kiko once by KO hopefully same result this lad from the first day I seen him sparring I always had thought he would go on and be a World Champion just too good and powerful not be a World Champion and fighting in Belfast I hope its going to be a Frampton win setting up big unification fights with Leo Santa Cruz and then Rigondeaux.
 
Congradulations to the New IBF Champion Carl Frampton winning the title by points against Kiko Marthinez. Marthinez is 1 tough hard man. Frampton had him down in 5th round but Marthinez got back up and boxed on to the end. Shocked Marthinez wasnt stopped in the 12th as he took some punishment. Frampton a World Champion I knew from the begining that this lad was going to be a world title champion. Seeing him boxing as a am to a pro he is destined to go on and fight big big big fights. Roll on a mega fight with Santa Cruz sometime in early 2015 then a fight with Rigondeaux would be great too. I know the Hearns will want a fight with Quigg but I cant see that happening for some time. As Carl will want the bigger pay and money and I cant see it happening for a while still. The good times are back in Irish boxing.

Also just heard that Framptons deal with Boxnation is now over I wonder if Sky will come back in for Frampton and do a deal to get him back on Sky. Loved what Carl had to say about Scott Quigg and he wants the fight but Hearn needs to know that Carl is the 1 with the real World title belt. He wants to fight anyone Carl he is going to be a brilliant exciting fighter to watch and hopefully Sky do a deal with Frampton for his fights.
 
leighton said:
Congradulations to the New IBF Champion Carl Frampton winning the title by points against Kiko Marthinez. Marthinez is 1 tough hard man. Frampton had him down in 5th round but Marthinez got back up and boxed on to the end. Shocked Marthinez wasnt stopped in the 12th as he took some punishment. Frampton a World Champion I knew from the begining that this lad was going to be a world title champion. Seeing him boxing as a am to a pro he is destined to go on and fight big big big fights. Roll on a mega fight with Santa Cruz sometime in early 2015 then a fight with Rigondeaux would be great too. I know the Hearns will want a fight with Quigg but I cant see that happening for some time. As Carl will want the bigger pay and money and I cant see it happening for a while still. The good times are back in Irish boxing.

Also just heard that Framptons deal with Boxnation is now over I wonder if Sky will come back in for Frampton and do a deal to get him back on Sky. Loved what Carl had to say about Scott Quigg and he wants the fight but Hearn needs to know that Carl is the 1 with the real World title belt. He wants to fight anyone Carl he is going to be a brilliant exciting fighter to watch and hopefully Sky do a deal with Frampton for his fights.
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As a Quigg fan (purely because he's a local lad and a nice guy to chat to as well), I thought that was a top performance last night from Frampton. Martinez is pretty limited but he's tough as they come and Carl had to show many dimensions to his ability last night to keep himself ahead in the fight, the knockdown was a beautifully picked shot and a fair summary of how cleanly he was able to counter punch Martinez all night long. I was praying for the ref to jump in in the 12th as I bet on Frampton KO but in any case, that was a world class 12-round performance from Frampton and I can't wait to see him in with the other top guys in the division now.

As for the Quigg fight if it were to ever happen, heart says Quigg but head leans slightly towards Frampton but I think it would be much more of a chess match. Quigg is pretty tight defensively and barely wastes a punch so Carl would have to work a lot harder to find a home for his counter shots than he did last night. I think they're very evenly matched in terms of ability but Carl just looks to have that edge in power. I think it's a tough one to call to be honest. No doubt people will call on the fact that Quigg has been put down a couple of times as a pro and claim he is chinny but he has never really been hurt badly and always found a way to win. Since winning his world title he's not really been matched with the best operators so I think we are a long way from seeing the best that Quigg has to offer.

I just hope it doesn't come down to who is percieved to be the bigger draw and the fight is shelved because of some shitty dispute over purses, split of tv revenue etc. Yes, Frampton is the bigger draw probably but in Ireland he has little competition for that title. Fact is this fight would sell anywhere in the UK so hopefully money won't completely dictate the negotiations and we will eventually get this fight made.

For the time being though, fantastic newsfor British boxing to have 2 domestic lads holding world titles.
 
goatfeeder100 said:
leighton said:
Congradulations to the New IBF Champion Carl Frampton winning the title by points against Kiko Marthinez. Marthinez is 1 tough hard man. Frampton had him down in 5th round but Marthinez got back up and boxed on to the end. Shocked Marthinez wasnt stopped in the 12th as he took some punishment. Frampton a World Champion I knew from the begining that this lad was going to be a world title champion. Seeing him boxing as a am to a pro he is destined to go on and fight big big big fights. Roll on a mega fight with Santa Cruz sometime in early 2015 then a fight with Rigondeaux would be great too. I know the Hearns will want a fight with Quigg but I cant see that happening for some time. As Carl will want the bigger pay and money and I cant see it happening for a while still. The good times are back in Irish boxing.

Also just heard that Framptons deal with Boxnation is now over I wonder if Sky will come back in for Frampton and do a deal to get him back on Sky. Loved what Carl had to say about Scott Quigg and he wants the fight but Hearn needs to know that Carl is the 1 with the real World title belt. He wants to fight anyone Carl he is going to be a brilliant exciting fighter to watch and hopefully Sky do a deal with Frampton for his fights.
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As a Quigg fan (purely because he's a local lad and a nice guy to chat to as well), I thought that was a top performance last night from Frampton. Martinez is pretty limited but he's tough as they come and Carl had to show many dimensions to his ability last night to keep himself ahead in the fight, the knockdown was a beautifully picked shot and a fair summary of how cleanly he was able to counter punch Martinez all night long. I was praying for the ref to jump in in the 12th as I bet on Frampton KO but in any case, that was a world class 12-round performance from Frampton and I can't wait to see him in with the other top guys in the division now.

As for the Quigg fight if it were to ever happen, heart says Quigg but head leans slightly towards Frampton but I think it would be much more of a chess match. Quigg is pretty tight defensively and barely wastes a punch so Carl would have to work a lot harder to find a home for his counter shots than he did last night. I think they're very evenly matched in terms of ability but Carl just looks to have that edge in power. I think it's a tough one to call to be honest. No doubt people will call on the fact that Quigg has been put down a couple of times as a pro and claim he is chinny but he has never really been hurt badly and always found a way to win. Since winning his world title he's not really been matched with the best operators so I think we are a long way from seeing the best that Quigg has to offer.

I just hope it doesn't come down to who is percieved to be the bigger draw and the fight is shelved because of some shitty dispute over purses, split of tv revenue etc. Yes, Frampton is the bigger draw probably but in Ireland he has little competition for that title. Fact is this fight would sell anywhere in the UK so hopefully money won't completely dictate the negotiations and we will eventually get this fight made.

For the time being though, fantastic newsfor British boxing to have 2 domestic lads holding world titles.
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Quiggs so called title is a paper title and not the full 1 a certain Rigondeaux holds that real title. Salinas fight that Quigg won the title was a draw and the title was handed go Quigg. I honestly think Quigg isn't ready for any of the title holders full title holders yet. He hasn't been tested chin wise went down already in his fights not been in with a banger yet of world level. Hearn / Joe Gallagher will avoid the fight or a major banger for a while. Carl has always wanted the Quigg fight and would of boxed him anywhere. Hearn signed Carls next fighter he has to fight within 90 days I think so expect that fight to be made and on Sky while Carl sorts out his TV deal with more than likely Sky like Groves did. Also Carl could well go in with Leo Santa Cruz next or Rigondeaux as Hyde Rigondeauxs manager was at the fight. I don't know how long Carl will stay in this weight class but he could even move up a weight if its getting harder for him to make the weight.
 
Should be on in the next half hour. Anthony Joshua impressive again, turned up the heat in the 3rd and dismantled his opponent with ease. He is progressing well and has all the tools to make it to the top.
 
My company is the main sponsor at a few boxing events. Friday night one of our local boxers here in Sheffield was knocked out and is now fighting for his life in hospital, this is one tough sport and the fighters know what could happen to them but the guy who knocked him out kissed him as he lay on the canvass, disgusting behaviour that I have never seen at a fight before in my life.

My thoughts are with Jerome Wilson and his family

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kinkysleftfoot said:
My company is the main sponsor at a few boxing events. Friday night one of our local boxers here in Sheffield was knocked out and is now fighting for his life in hospital, this is one tough sport and the fighters know what could happen to them but the guy who knocked him out kissed him as he lay on the canvass, disgusting behaviour that I have never seen at a fight before in my life.

My thoughts are with Jerome Wilson and his family

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My thoughts are with his family and hopefully the lad wins this big fight.


As for Scott Quigg in with a Bamtamweight. He hasnt boxed anyone with power and real power yet. Carls hand is bust from the Kiko fight so they aint too sure how quick Carl will be back. So expect the fight to happen sometime next year. Quigg sadly isnt a draw as a fighter and will have to play second fiddle to Carl. They were saying the crowd that turned out for Quigg at the weekend didnt even fill the arena and it wasnt even half full. As Hearn likes to state about Rigondeaux he has no following neither does Quigg sadly. Also if a fight with Carl and Quigg happens the majority of fans at it will be coming from Ireland to watch the fight be it in the UK. Carls fans would fill any arena the demand was so big for his last fight.

Anthony Joshua looks so strong want to see him stepping up in quaility sooner as he can go far.
 
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