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bluemc1
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more bottle than any other heavyweight ever ? As brave as they come but he’s not the first to have that amount of heart and bottle
I’d watch the Thriller in Manila
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more bottle than any other heavyweight ever ? As brave as they come but he’s not the first to have that amount of heart and bottle
I’d watch the Thriller in Manila
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bluemc1
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There has always been great fighters in the heavyweight division, the main problem is when they introduced the cruiserweight division it completely ruined the heavyweight division, and most organisation put in a minimum weight restriction to fight for belts, when you look closer a lot of the all-time greats like Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Joe Frazier and many others would weigh either dead on or just too much for cruiserweights these days but not enough for heavyweight.
It gets banded about "he got knocked down by a cruiserweight" by idiots about various heavyweights, and because fighters between cruiserweights and heavyweight aren't allowed to fight at their natural weight, most ,of those smaller heavyweights are not as quick or lack effective stamina to trouble the giants these days.
Tyson and Ali, Foreman and Holmes were all big heavyweights back in the day now they're quite small for heavyweight bar Foreman, who is still fairly big but not massive like peeps thought of him in the old days.
There has always been giant heavyweights in the past and good ones too but the likes of Marciano who is criminally underated, with his stamina speed toughness and brutalising could've chopped down the likes of Lewis, both Klitschko's and Fury too, people don't realise Marciano was incredibly hard to hit cleanly but he was ... Tyson Fury is world class and at his current level would give anyone in history problems win, lose or draw.
Having said that though the likes of Frazier and Marciano or Dempsey are the brawlers are the types who used to brutalise the big giants in those days, Tyson Fury's footwork, hand-speed dark art/dirty tricks and ring IQ with his towering size and heart would defo cause problems for most in boxing history.
Not saying he would be one of the absolute greats but styles make fights.
when the first giants started coming in like Bose and Lewis it was said we should have super heavyweight division
always thought Herbie Hide was a cracking boxer but just too small
From what I’ve read and what I have posted no one is slagging Tyson fury off infact I think he is a great ambassador for the sport and is a very good world champion but not an atg which is no slight on fury as there aren’t many truly elite fighters about . Wilder has turned to be one of the most hyped. Champions ever alongside Joshua and fury as he has done with wilder would destroy Joshua very easily but I do think the usyk fight with fury would be one fight he wants if he is to cement his legacy as beating usyk would be the best win of his career .
It's pretty impossible to compare fury to the all time greats because great boxers are shown when they fight other greats. Its not his fault, but he's never even fought a very good opponent, yet alone a great one. A 58 year old, complacent from a decade of terrible opponents, lesser of the two klitschko brothers is probably the top opponent he's fought and that's not a particularly high level. There just aren't any opponents to prove much against and hasn't been for a long time, much like when the brothers owned the division.
LongsightM13
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That title has already been trademarked by Don Amott of Derbyshire…King of the caravans.
LongsightM13
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Nobody else wanted to go anywhere near Klitschko until Fury went into his backyard and humiliated him. Joshua was only ever interested in Wlad after Fury had broken him, and he still nearly got knocked outIt's pretty impossible to compare fury to the all time greats because great boxers are shown when they fight other greats. Its not his fault, but he's never even fought a very good opponent, yet alone a great one. A 58 year old, complacent from a decade of terrible opponents, lesser of the two klitschko brothers is probably the top opponent he's fought and that's not a particularly high level. There just aren't any opponents to prove much against and hasn't been for a long time, much like when the brothers owned the division.
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Herbie Hide was always entertainment I remember enjoying pleny of his fights, think Vitali Klitschko broke him he was beaten by Bowe but regained his confidence he was never quite the same after Vitali beat him.when the first giants started coming in like Bose and Lewis it was said we should have super heavyweight division
always thought Herbie Hide was a cracking boxer but just too small
I'm a believer in keeping the cruiserweight division but also letting cruiserweights optionally fight at heavyweight if they want, while still in the cruiserweight limit I mean if Marciano or Frazier or Louis were forced to fight weighting 214 then they would be extremely sluggish, it defo ruined the heavyweight division the strict rules I get they're concerned about safety especially after McClellan Watson and others... but both Louis and Marciano can be considered top 5 best heavyweights of all time, yet now they aren't even big enough to be actual heavyweights by today's standards it's just plain stupid.
I honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Usyk would've been even better against Joshua if allowed to weigh less,. He's got the right frame size to adapt at heavyweight like Holyfield did, someone naturally smaller in build would start having problems maintaining stamina anything beyond 200 pounds.
LongsightM13
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Lewis certainly hit harder but I’m not sure at all that he was a better technician than Fury, whose boxing skillset is vastly underratedLewis was a far better boxer than Fury. You also really need to watch some Fraiser, Forman, Tyson and Ali fights if you think Fury is a contender for GOAT. Hes hasnt even beaten all those is his division yet.
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Herbie should have been a cruiserweight, might have cleaned up in that division. He was also a bit of a loose cannon who brought fellow nutters like Tyson’s old mate Crocodile Fitch into his inner circle as a hype manwhen the first giants started coming in like Bose and Lewis it was said we should have super heavyweight division
always thought Herbie Hide was a cracking boxer but just too small