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Wilder v Fury I can see it happening being honest. I will always think for Wilder to fight Fury in December would be a great fight for Wilder to win. Then it makes the Wilder v AJ fight that even bigger and better. Fury I just dont know what i think. Is he fully back or is he just making a quick buck. He aint the most gifted but he is durable and will put up a great fight even if Wilder ends up getting the better and maybe even KOing Fury late.
 
ell said:
Great entertainment on saturday its a shame the masses will have missed out because Eddie is a greedy **** trying to charge £20 for it.
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I don't think Hearn is necessarily the evil here. It's sky's fault for having such a small budget for boxing. It means Hearn is responsible for paying the fighters, so 3 or 4 relatively high profile names on the card will unfortunately mean PPV, otherwise, the promoter is out of pocket
 
yeseye said:
If Fury can get himself right, physically and mentally, he will go through the lot of them imo.
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Not a chance. Not after a 3 year hiatus. If Ali or Tyson couldn't return to their peak after similar time out, Fury hasn't got a chance.

Besides, Wilder and Joshua would be more aggressive and active against Fury than Wlad was.
leighton said:
Wilder v Fury I can see it happening being honest. I will always think for Wilder to fight Fury in December would be a great fight for Wilder to win. Then it makes the Wilder v AJ fight that even bigger and better. Fury I just dont know what i think. Is he fully back or is he just making a quick buck. He aint the most gifted but he is durable and will put up a great fight even if Wilder ends up getting the better and maybe even KOing Fury late.
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The problem is, we still don't really know what Fury's ceiling actually is. The Wlad performance was very good, but totally above and beyond any other performance. Was it just the fact that Wlad is naturally tentative that played into Fury's hands? Wlad is explosive when he is either forced to fight or is putting a man away after a one sided beat down. Fury didn't make him do either and I think the rounds just got away from him. Regardless, Wilder certainly won't be content with throwing only 20 punches a round - he averaged around 60 per round in his only 12 round fight to date, so you'd expect Fury to have to work much harder than he is comfortable with.

I think if you want an indication of how Fury would look under genuine pressure from a power punches, rematch the 12th round of the Wlad fight. Controversial thought but I've always felt it played a part in him not fancying the rematch.
 
ono said:
Not a chance. Not after a 3 year hiatus. If Ali or Tyson couldn't return to their peak after similar time out, Fury hasn't got a chance.

Besides, Wilder and Joshua would be more aggressive and active against Fury than Wlad was.

The problem is, we still don't really know what Fury's ceiling actually is. The Wlad performance was very good, but totally above and beyond any other performance. Was it just the fact that Wlad is naturally tentative that played into Fury's hands? Wlad is explosive when he is either forced to fight or is putting a man away after a one sided beat down. Fury didn't make him do either and I think the rounds just got away from him. Regardless, Wilder certainly won't be content with throwing only 20 punches a round - he averaged around 60 per round in his only 12 round fight to date, so you'd expect Fury to have to work much harder than he is comfortable with.

I think if you want an indication of how Fury would look under genuine pressure from a power punches, rematch the 12th round of the Wlad fight. Controversial thought but I've always felt it played a part in him not fancying the rematch.
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Fury got battered in the 12th in that fight, once Klitschko knew he had to fight. The brothers Grimm had it too easy for too long and Fury managed to fluke an advantage. Joshua or Wilder would finish him. White and Parker would beat him.
 
ono said:
I think Usyk destroys Ward. Too big throws too many punches for Ward to ever get comfortable.
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I thought Ward would of been in trouble in his first fight against Kovalev because Kovalev is a hard hitter. Ward was put down in the second round I think but then bounced back and was sensational winning every single round after the knockdown. His second fight against Kovalev was an absolute masterclass.
I'd find it very hard to call both incredible classy fighters...I reckon it would go to points but who wins I can't call it.
 
I think you are all wrong, Fury will get flattened by Wilder if he fights him and definitely no match for AJ, he has run out of money and needs a few big pay days before he limps back into obscurity. He did brilliantly beating Klitschco and could have gone on to great things, my opinion is that he blew it, time will tell....!
 
oldius said:
I think Fury has the potential to beat them all.
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I think the Klitschko fight has given a slight misconception on Fury. Fair play he beat him but Klitschko was awful out in terrible condition. If the Klitschko who fought AJ shows up then he knocks Fury out in my opinion. I think Wilder and AJ will both beat Fury as hes not a big puncher at all so WIlder and AJ know they can step in close and land big shots without too much fear of being hit with a big punch.
 
If the Wilder fight happens in December Fury will get flattened. He should be moving up in levels as quickly as possible, but that means someone like Charr not the current number two fighter in the division. Totally agree that a fit and form Fury beats him though.
 
dannyboy29 said:
I think the Klitschko fight has given a slight misconception on Fury. Fair play he beat him but Klitschko was awful out in terrible condition. If the Klitschko who fought AJ shows up then he knocks Fury out in my opinion. I think Wilder and AJ will both beat Fury as hes not a big puncher at all so WIlder and AJ know they can step in close and land big shots without too much fear of being hit with a big punch.
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He's a very difficult guy to beat though because of his size and movement and I think that's why Klitschko looked so poor. I do not see Wilder doing it, who had all the trouble he could handle with Ortiz. I think September may be too early for Fury though, there's plenty of rust and timber still to shift.
 
oldius said:
He's a very difficult guy to beat though because of his size and movement and I think that's why Klitschko looked so poor. I do not see Wilder doing it, who had all the trouble he could handle with Ortiz. I think September may be too early for Fury though, there's plenty of rust and timber still to shift.
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Ortiz was outstanding that night too I think he was winning every single round up until the KO.
 
I liked Fury but he's starting to get on my nerves. As others have said, if he fights Wilder in December then he'll get battered.

However, surely it's all smoke and mirrors. What does Wilder gain by fighting a dangerous opponent like Fury for a few million quid when he could fight AJ for £15m? If he loses to Fury then he won't get offered anywhere near £15m again because he won't have the belt that AJ wants.
 
jay_mcfc said:
I liked Fury but he's starting to get on my nerves. As others have said, if he fights Wilder in December then he'll get battered.

However, surely it's all smoke and mirrors. What does Wilder gain by fighting a dangerous opponent like Fury for a few million quid when he could fight AJ for £15m? If he loses to Fury then he won't get offered anywhere near £15m again because he won't have the belt that AJ wants.
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He becomes the man that beat the man; the effective holder of the linear belt.
 
Just watched Dillian Whyte interview on Sky.
He says he wants AJ again.
AJ knocked him out last time and would do again.
Where would Whyte go after that ?
Two time loser and no belt to offer.
He would be better off going for Wilder.
Whyte is WBC mandatory challenger so would or should get the fight before Fury.
Fury would have to pay him to step aside surely.
I'm guessing that Fury doesn't have the money to make Whyte step aside.
If I was Whyte I'd be calling out Wilder.
Wilder would have no choice.
Fight or hand it over.
Whyte could even force the WBC to make Wilder step in the ring through the courts.
I think he may win in the courts but get walloped in the ring.
 
I don't want Fury rushing into a title fight because I don't want any excuses for him if he loses, it seems he gets better in some people memories the further back his last fight was. He's been dining off that one fight with Wlad for so long now, not to take away being the first guy to do it but it wasn't a vintage Wlad, he was caught off guard that night and couldn't get going. It wasn't a great fight either, not technically or as a spectacle with back and forth action, I was happy for him when he got the decision, the gameplan was right on the night to get the nod and fair play to him and his trainer for that but lets be real here about the fighter he is.

He's a very big difficult opponent, mobile(footwork is ok compared to some but he is clumsy with it at times, not graceful), good head movement compared to most heavyweights out there today, good hand speed and punch output for heavyweight too. That's all well and good but the idea he will school the top heavyweights is way off he's not Ali and should stop talking like he can ever be considered a polished fighter like that, like he's in a position to talk down about the other heavyweights when he can't in a lot of respects.

For one he doesn't have a granite chin, he was knocked right on his arse by Steve Cunningham who wasn't even a proper heavyweight(the size difference was laughable), if he makes that mistake with Wilder he's done for. Then there's his own power, if he's up against someone like Joshua who has him wobbled I don't think he has that knockout power to keep them at bay, that one punch power for them to worry about when going in for the kill. His stoppages come through accumulation, something which people laughably say about Joshua in the usual online boxing debates. To that I say no, look back Fury's stoppages in contrast THAT'S proper accumulation without KO power(still effective if you can do it consistently don't get me wrong)... Joshua hurts opponents with straight jabs at times, forces them into a tight defence and then he has to pick his punches to get around their guard(very good at that too), you can tell he has heavy hands by the way the majority of his opponents have reacted to the first taste of his shots. Looking back at his highlights I see that I don't want to be here anymore look about them, all thoughts of winning it quickly leaves their head and it's survival mode.

Finally there's also the failed drugs test issue with Tyson, sorry to keep bringing that up but I do find it weird how it's been sweeped under the carpet, he failed a test for steroids(probably should have meant the Wlad fight should have been called off if they knew beforehand), failed a further one for benzoylecgonine while making jokey references to scarface on twitter, then took a self imposed lay-off for two years(coincidently the time most steroids cheats are suspended?), then failed to show up to a UKad doping hearing in Dec 2017. Now he's somehow back and become a hero of boxing and all the rest are pretenders? Not for me sorry and I think Joshua beats him by KO even in his Wlad fight shape too, Wilder I think he can beat if he concentrates on his footwork, making sure Wilder is always out of position to land anything cleanly(something Wilder does himself a lot without help) and using his weight advantage to good effect.
 
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