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No way is he in decline, he barely boxed last night he just wanted to get the stoppage victory. Against a slick operator that is some risk and takes a lot of patience.
Patience is the key word. Literally the first time BJS over committed and fell over his foot Canelo smashed his eye socket in. It was an incredible shot that he waited 8 rounds for without ever getting frustrated. Some talent and confidence to do that and then to know the second he threw it that the fight was over as well.

He's some boy too. You can see he has a cheekiness to his personality but always tries to remain professional. He absolutely destroyed Andrade (in English!) when he was hijacked in the presser. He really, really wanted to fuck up BJS after this week too. Mark Tibbs might have just saved BJS from a very serious injury. One more round...
 
That shot was coming all night. BJS is awkward and good with the jab but Canelo worked the body all fight making BJS lean over creating the opportunity for the uppercut which Canelo took cleanly. The fact he was taunting him mid round in the 8th and jeering up the fans he knew it was done
 
What makes you think he’s on the decline?

BJS has always been difficult to hit & extremely awkward to fight against. It didn’t look to me like Father Time is catching up on Canelo, unless I missed something which someone with a better eye than mine for boxing has picked up on?
He looked like he was hurting himself when throwing some punches, wear and tare from too man fights.
 
His finishing punch was incredible. Think he’d finally figured out BJS head movement.

Watch it mate. Was an intriguing fight & I thought it was pretty close, with BJS definitely winning his fair share of rounds
Just watched it - Saunders was very good, granted he is blessed with an awkward style but is still takes a lot to cause Canelo problems which he did (the right handed always looks shite when missing big against the lefty).

Problem Saunders now (as well as being a twat) is that it was a very good performance, which makes him even more unattractive for some of the fighters that he would like to be involved with (top much risk, not enough financial reward). That's before we take into acco the injury that we now believe he has.

Canelo is relentless, the fighters that he has gone through now is outrageous. How many good fights has he been involved with now?

Amazing Canelo immediately knew that the fight was over as soon as he had landed the shot - he's an absolute beast who manages to combine, high workload, power, speed, evasiveness (generally) and catchi most on his gloves.

Brilliant styled fighter and sure to be an all-time great..........
 
Canelos rep will always be tared for the drugs suspension for myself. He has been matched well keeping him away from the big fights until those fighters are heading away from there peak. The GGG first fight GGG won that fight how he got a draw to this day I still dont know. I would of love to see the 3rd fight between the pair. Now GGG is not far from 40 thats a fight that will never happen now sadly.

His record he has boxed a lot of aging stars when they where on the way out and built up his rep from it. The fighters out there now for Canelo to fight not many left maybe if Jermall Charlo moves up in weight that be 1 i would like to see happen. Or if Canelo moves up a weight Bivol wouldnt be a bad fight either.
 
Patience is the key word. Literally the first time BJS over committed and fell over his foot Canelo smashed his eye socket in. It was an incredible shot that he waited 8 rounds for without ever getting frustrated. Some talent and confidence to do that and then to know the second he threw it that the fight was over as well.

He's some boy too. You can see he has a cheekiness to his personality but always tries to remain professional. He absolutely destroyed Andrade (in English!) when he was hijacked in the presser. He really, really wanted to fuck up BJS after this week too. Mark Tibbs might have just saved BJS from a very serious injury. One more round...
The more canelo does the more credit an over the hill triple g should get for going toe to toe with a prime canelo and very unluckily drawing one and losing another fight . Can you imagine if canelo wouldn’t have given the ibf title up and instead faced a prime time triple g
 
Went how I expected it to, BJS to cause some problems with his movement and make it a competitive fight until Canelo works out his timing. He also set that punch up by going to the body as others have said(Povetkin did similar on Whyte).

Most of the rounds were competitive but I can't see how anyone had BJS up on the cards personally. To give a round to someone on the back foot so much, they have to land consistently with what they do throw and in some of those rounds DAZN were giving him, he did not do that enough. I was shaking my head when some of their scorecards were shown. He was being hurt to the body, backed up and caught with hooks and uppercuts then doing a silly dance to try and show it didn't hurt when it clearly did.

Great fight though, no shame in BJS losing to Canelo. He's just the better fighter, deservedly going to be regarded as one of the ATGs, whether people like him or not. As for tarnished reputations, BJS and Fury both got caught doping with worse, what hypocrites Billy and his team are. Lets not have double standards, keep the same energy for everyone or not at all.
 
Went how I expected it to, BJS to cause some problems with his movement and make it a competitive fight until Canelo works out his timing. He also set that punch up by going to the body as others have said(Povetkin did similar on Whyte).

Most of the rounds were competitive but I can't see how anyone had BJS up on the cards personally. To give a round to someone on the back foot so much, they have to land consistently with what they do throw and in some of those rounds DAZN were giving him, he did not do that enough. I was shaking my head when some of their scorecards were shown. He was being hurt to the body, backed up and caught with hooks and uppercuts then doing a silly dance to try and show it didn't hurt when it clearly did.

Great fight though, no shame in BJS losing to Canelo. He's just the better fighter, deservedly going to be regarded as one of the ATGs, whether people like him or not. As for tarnished reputations, BJS and Fury both got caught doping with worse, what hypocrites Billy and his team are. Lets not have double standards, keep the same energy for everyone or not at all.
Agreed. Without any doubt at all he won 2,3,7 and 8. 1 was 50/50 and 4 was close too. 5 and 6 were the only good rounds for BJS but even when he was having success he couldn't put a dent in Canelo and it was only a matter of time before a big shot landed.
 
Agreed. Without any doubt at all he won 2,3,7 and 8. 1 was 50/50 and 4 was close too. 5 and 6 were the only good rounds for BJS but even when he was having success he couldn't put a dent in Canelo and it was only a matter of time before a big shot landed.
Yeah, I was saying the same after the first round, nothing to split them really, at first I was tempted to give it a draw but they don't seem to give 10/10s in boxing these days. I could maybe give BJS 3 rounds but that would be giving him the 1st round which I wouldn't expect the judges to do, those always go to the home fighter/A-side.
 
Agreed. Without any doubt at all he won 2,3,7 and 8. 1 was 50/50 and 4 was close too. 5 and 6 were the only good rounds for BJS but even when he was having success he couldn't put a dent in Canelo and it was only a matter of time before a big shot landed.
100%. Seen Teddy Atlas, say something similar, at best you could give BJS 1 or at most two rounds. Canelo was in control and just wearing him down for the inevitable.
 
BJS got a big of karma for non-boxing stuff and I'm a fan of his ability too.

Canelo is too fucking tough. His neck doesn't move. His power shots are all really hard. The inactivity meant he was a bit rusty but look at his face afterward. Hardly a scratch.

The gap between bouts makes me nervous that Canelo is using something to maintain the growth spurt he had - still think he's juicing on a very high level. The power he has in boxing cicles makes me nervous no-one gets a points win even if obvious.
 
BJS got a big of karma for non-boxing stuff and I'm a fan of his ability too.

Canelo is too fucking tough. His neck doesn't move. His power shots are all really hard. The inactivity meant he was a bit rusty but look at his face afterward. Hardly a scratch.

The gap between bouts makes me nervous that Canelo is using something to maintain the growth spurt he had - still think he's juicing on a very high level. The power he has in boxing cicles makes me nervous no-one gets a points win even if obvious.

Yep.

100%. The way Canelo keeps his power is very suspicious. His power allied to a stamina that doesn't drop is weird.

Added to that he is hitting harder at middleweight and is more elusive then he was at light middleweight. Basically gone up in weight and become, faster, stronger with more endurance and punch resistance.
 
Yep.

100%. The way Canelo keeps his power is very suspicious. His power allied to a stamina that doesn't drop is weird.

Added to that he is hitting harder at middleweight and is more elusive then he was at light middleweight. Basically gone up in weight and become, faster, stronger with more endurance and punch resistance.
Did you see the dressing rooms pre-fight? BJS doing usual pads/shadow boxing/footwork Canelo, stood there just doing power shots on a thicker pad. Rare to see boxers in general do that.

He does have great talent though - but I think his physical advantage might be obtained in a dirty manner. That positive test he had was for a susbtance farmers use in been to increase mass.
 
Did you see the dressing rooms pre-fight? BJS doing usual pads/shadow boxing/footwork Canelo, stood there just doing power shots on a thicker pad. Rare to see boxers in general do that.

He does have great talent though - but I think his physical advantage might be obtained in a dirty manner. That positive test he had was for a susbtance farmers use in been to increase mass.

anybody found guilty of a positive test for a dodgy susbtance in sport should be given life bans
boxing is a sport that should be all over this with life bans. your putting lives at risk because you are using your hands as weapons and could kill somebody
 
This is what BJS got caught with and used an excuse of "nasal spray" for a substance which is not widely used in the UK or the USA to begin with. Similar to steroid cheat Fury and his "boar meat" bullshit excuse, IMO they both got caught and sought out legal advice on what to say. This is different to the situation in Mexico, where Clen is widely used in the cattle industry, so much so that the organisers have now raised the tolerance levels for Mexican fighters because of the increasing number of cases. So yes, eating the meat has triggered numerous positive results because even trace amounts show up(which is what Canelo had). Anyway this is what was in BJS' system, who thought it right to throw stones from glass houses:

Oxilofrine (methyl synephrine) Doping – Cutting Drug helps Bodybuilders Burn Fat, Sprinters Smash Records​


Well another noteworthy effect of oxilofrine is that it increases the body’s production of adrenaline. And with increased adrenaline comes more exercise endurance, improved focus, better oxygenation of the blood, a faster heart rate, and increased alertness. Of these effects, the extra endurance and improved blood oxygenation would definitely give sprinters a boost during their training.

Because of all the performance-enhancing benefits of oxilofrine, it’s been banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). And those caught using this amphetamine face up to a two-year ban from sanctioned track & field competitions. But even with these potential punishments, I guarantee you that plenty of athletes are still using this drug.

Unlike the above, many of the listed performance enhancing effects for Clenbuterol listed by armchair experts on boxing forums are not attainable at low doses. It helps you shed fat while retaining more muscle(both of which are still cheating), than a lot of the alternatives, it's a poor choice for anything else really. That's why Oxiloflorine is worse for me. Those other listed effects for clen were found only in high doses, the relevance there is that Canelo was found with trace levels and if you were taking high amounts it would stay in your system a lot longer(especially for the hair follicle test). Many people have made the argument that Canelo doesn't train in Mexico but his results were actually consistent with him ingesting a small amount while he was in Mexico(people don't care about reading into things before creating their "gotcha" arguments it seems). The hair follicle test especially would have gave away heavy usage over a longer period and it did the opposite, it basically cleared him. Secondly the reason people wont be doing high doses, especially not over a sustained period is that it has not been deemed safe for human consumption in the USA for a reason(again unlike the above substance BJS was using). Body builders can maybe get away with the negative side effects(heart problems etc) more but championship boxing requires immense levels of fitness. It just wouldn't be worth it.

I should state that I'm not excusing Canelo for what he had in system, he has enough money to hire people to handle all of that and should be responsible for what he puts in his body, other Mexican fighters might not have the same luxury though and his excuse does leave more benifit of the doubt than BJS or Fury's have for me. It was right he was sanctioned but a life time ban for a weight cutting drug is far too excessive, steroids would be a different matter. He has never been found with steroids in his system though and it doesn't even look like he's on steroids, people have to say "look at his neck", look at his arms and legs, they are in proportion. People like to think they can tell when they don't have a clue really, same with AJ "look at his gut" it's bollocks. I'd say Manny Pacquaoi was more suspect than Canelo, his leg muscles were way out of proportion and he didn't just "retain strength" going up multiple weights he became a bigger puncher if anything, yet fanboys leap to his defence. I like Manny Pacquaoi more as a fighter for what it's worth but I'm just tired of the ridiculousness when it comes to Canelo.

The double standards with boxing fans is rife.
 
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This is what BJS got caught with and used an excuse of "nasal spray" for a substance which is not widely used in the UK or the USA to begin with. Similar to steroid cheat Fury and his "boar meat" bullshit excuse, IMO they both got caught and sought out legal advice on what to say. This is different to the situation in Mexico, where Clen is widely used in the cattle industry, so much so that the organisers have now raised the tolerance levels for Mexican fighters because of the increasing number of cases. So yes, eating the meat has triggered numerous positive results because even trace amounts show up(which is what Canelo had). Anyway this is what was in BJS' system, who thought it right to throw stones from glass houses:





Unlike the above, many of the listed performance enhancing effects for Clenbuterol listed by armchair experts on boxing forums are not attainable at low doses. It helps you shed fat while retaining more muscle(both of which are still cheating), than a lot of the alternatives, it's a poor choice for anything else really. That's why Oxiflorine is worse for me. Those other listed effects for clen were found only in high doses, the relevance there is that Canelo was found with trace levels and if you were taking high amounts it would stay in your system a lot longer(especially for the hair follicle test). Many people have made the argument that Canelo doesn't train in Mexico but his results were actually consistent with him ingesting a small amount while he was in Mexico(people don't care about reading into things before creating their "gotcha" arguments it seems). The hair follicle test especially would have gave away heavy usage over a longer period and it did the opposite, it basically cleared him. Secondly the reason people wont be doing high doses, especially not over a sustained period is that it has not been deemed safe for human consumption in the USA for a reason(again unlike the above substance BJS was using). Body builders can maybe get away with the negative side effects(heart problems etc) more but championship boxing requires immense levels of fitness. It just wouldn't be worth it.

I should state that I'm not excusing Canelo for what he had in system, he has enough money to hire people to handle all of that and should be responsible for what he puts in his body, other Mexican fighters might not have the same luxury though and his excuse does leave more benifit of the doubt than BJS or Fury's have for me. It was right he was sanctioned but a life time ban for a weight cutting drug is far too excessive, steroids would be a different matter. He has never been found with steroids in his system though and it doesn't even look like he's on steroids, people have to say "look at his neck", look at his arms and legs, they are in proportion. People like to think they can tell when they don't have a clue really, same with AJ "look at his gut" it's bollocks. I'd say Manny Pacquaoi was more suspect than Canelo, his leg muscles were way out of proportion and he didn't just "retain strength" going up multiple weights he became a bigger puncher if anything, yet fanboys leap to his defence. I like Manny Pacquaoi more as a fighter for what it's worth but I'm just tired of the ridiculousness when it comes to Canelo.

The double standards with boxing fans is rife.
Great post.

In an ideal world it would be lovely to list out banned substances and issue life time bans for anyone that strays. The problem is, with a sport that has been so rife with misdemeanor throughout its existence, you would left with very little to offer.

I am not applauding the use of 'enhancers' but I am also slightly more open to the idea that they are all probably up to it to obtain a competitive edge (effectively, are there any fighters that are genuinely 'clean' nowadays?).

The fighters safety should be paramount and as a comparison, the likes of Margarito gor about a 12 month ban for loadi up his gloves with plaster cast or the like.

What appeared to be the equivalent of hitting Cotto with two concrete lumps. Mosely was lucky that his trainer picked up the white powder concealed in Margarito's wraps or he would have been on the end of the same (of which, hasn't Mosely been done for steroids or the like?).

Anyway I digress........
 
Great post.

In an ideal world it would be lovely to list out banned substances and issue life time bans for anyone that strays. The problem is, with a sport that has been so rife with misdemeanor throughout its existence, you would left with very little to offer.

I am not applauding the use of 'enhancers' but I am also slightly more open to the idea that they are all probably up to it to obtain a competitive edge (effectively, are there any fighters that are genuinely 'clean' nowadays?).

The fighters safety should be paramount and as a comparison, the likes of Margarito gor about a 12 month ban for loadi up his gloves with plaster cast or the like.

What appeared to be the equivalent of hitting Cotto with two concrete lumps. Mosely was lucky that his trainer picked up the white powder concealed in Margarito's wraps or he would have been on the end of the same (of which, hasn't Mosely been done for steroids or the like?).

Anyway I digress........
Yep, sadly we would be left with very few decent fighters IMO, if everyone who had ever used any substances to gain an edge in training, was firstly caught and then issued a life time ban. Yes Mosely was banned for steroids and also amphetamines(they didn't say which one, I wonder if it was Oxiloflorine?). Take a look at the list below:

It is logical to say, there are probably far more that haven't been caught out yet but I still maintain it's wrong to for some people point the finger just because they think they can tell(nobody can really), it doesn't work like that and it's completely unfair to do.

I will say though, if you think it's bad now, the 80s and 90s must have been a free for all, with the level of testing available back then.

I think the plaster wraps is on the level with steroids in terms of cheating, that's beyond looking for "an edge in training". I was a fan of Cotto too and those of us who watched Kermit Cintron vs Margarito fights will wonder if the loaded wraps were present as far back as that. He(Cintron) did apparently say in an interview before the Margarito vs Cotto fight happened, he picked Margarito on the basis that: "I have never felt a puncher like Margarito, his punches feel like no other."
 
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Such a dirty sport isn't it? If your opponent isn't on something, they might try and dodgy handwrap or do that glove trick where the fist is clenched in thinner part of glove and whack you. They might hold in a way that tries to pop your arm out, they could headbutt you, stand on your toes, punch blindside/on the break etc. They can be an absolute menance in the press conferences, they can argue about ring size, glove types, and even when you've got past all that and your boxing well, a judge will rob you.
 

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