The Boxing thread

[buzzer1]

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Something about the Super Middleweights and the UK just look Eubank , Benn , Calzaghe and Froch. Also to a lesser extent Collins over the years this has been the division that has produced the best fighters from all over the UK in my opinion. Some top class fighters who putting each of them up against each other would be any promotors dream.

Carl for me is getting closer to Joe Calzaghe I have him just behind saying that beat Andre Ward and Carl is the greatest Super Middleweight of all time. Also to think that little or not that many people seen the wars that he was in during the Super 6. Froch doesnt know what a easy fight is these days. As for what they do next. I wouldnt mind seeing the fight again , or Ward if they can get him over to the UK. Also the George Groves fight wouldnt be a bad fight for him to have in my opinion. It would be a huge PAY Day for both fighters in a Battle of UK fight to make for the Hearns just dont think Groves is ready yet. I think a fight for Groves against King Arthur Abrahim would be a good fight and a stepping stone to a World title fight.

Sky have a new box office star in Froch for sure the way he dismantled Bute and now last nights win Froch will be headlining another huge fight by the end of the year and on Sky Box Office. He deserves it too and I hope he has many more big pay days.

Evenin' Leighton.. as a boxing man do you think Groves right now would stand a chance against either Kessler or Froch?

Not ready at the moment for Froch , Kessler would be a close fight just think Kessler beats Groves on points. Thats why I mentioned Arthur Abrahim as a fight as Matchroom and Saurland could sort that fight out quick enough if they want to. Its a steping stone to the bigger fights. Groves chin seems decent to me. His KO last night was good. Also he has Adam Booth in his corner who I rate highly. Booth is a great trainer and always gets his best out of fighters he has. He has transformed Andy Lee in his 2 fights so far. Also you just see how highly he is respected from Groves , Haye and the Hearns.

Cheers mate, that Groves looks a top fighter and he seems to have his feet on the deck.

 

[conormcfc]

Mayweather said he's signed to fight Canelo in September. I'm both surprised and pleased.

Pretty poor having the catchweight though, especially when you hold a belt at 154 and have previously slagged off Pacquiao for using catchweights.

 

[leighton]

The fight is set for Mexican Independance day as well. It will do huge numbers. Money v Canelo. The catch weight isnt any sort of problem for both fighters. Its not like a Manny catch weight fight. What I am lead to beleive the weigh in has to be 152 pounds. Also what works in Canelos favour is there is no rehydration limit so basically Canleo after the weigh in can rehydrate up to a bigger and more of his normal weight than the 152 pounds. So for me Money is still taking a huge risk with Canelo. Dont forget Money will go into the fight weighing 146 to 150 pounds Canelo could well be 10 to 15 pounds heavier than Money. It will be a interesting fight and this will make both Canelo and Money huge money in PPV sales.

 

[leighton]

The biggest WHAT THE FUCK ever today.
Carl Frampton has signed with Frank Warren. He has left Matchroom and Sky for Warren and Boxnation the biggest what the fuck ever. All I know is Frampton is on the July 20 card in London. Hearing that they fell out with Hearns. I think it is more to do with McGugian being his manager. A shocking move. I just wonder how much money he will get from Warren if he pays lol. I think it could well be a bad move for Frampton on a verge of a World title fight now with Warren be lucky to have 2 fights a year now. Sad case of bad management by McGuigan. Also havnt noticed McGuigan on Sky for a while either in there boxing shows. Madness.

A press release from Matchroom.
Matchroom Sport and Eddie Hearn have issued the following statement regarding Carl Frampton and Manager Barry McGuigan.

Eddie Hearn “We have enjoyed our time working with Carl Frampton as Promoter of his boxing career. However, after the success of the last Frampton fight we were informed by Barry McGuigan that he wanted to be joint promoter in future Frampton fights.

“Whilst we had no problem whatsoever in agreeing purses for Carl Frampton, we felt that such a relationship with Barry McGuigan represented a potential conflict of interest with Barry’s role as Carl’s Manager and we could therefore not agree to be involved on this basis.

“Matchroom Sport and I wish Carl every success in his future boxing career.”

Shocking move never seen this coming. MADNESS.

 

[Santiago Street]

Floyd finally fights a live opponent

Showtime rumoured to have lost big bucks on the ghost fight. They must've told him to fight Canelo or fuck your contract

 

[Manchester1894]

The biggest WHAT THE FUCK ever today.
Carl Frampton has signed with Frank Warren. He has left Matchroom and Sky for Warren and Boxnation the biggest what the fuck ever. All I know is Frampton is on the July 20 card in London. Hearing that they fell out with Hearns. I think it is more to do with McGugian being his manager. A shocking move. I just wonder how much money he will get from Warren if he pays lol. I think it could well be a bad move for Frampton on a verge of a World title fight now with Warren be lucky to have 2 fights a year now. Sad case of bad management by McGuigan. Also havnt noticed McGuigan on Sky for a while either in there boxing shows. Madness.

A press release from Matchroom.
Matchroom Sport and Eddie Hearn have issued the following statement regarding Carl Frampton and Manager Barry McGuigan.

Eddie Hearn “We have enjoyed our time working with Carl Frampton as Promoter of his boxing career. However, after the success of the last Frampton fight we were informed by Barry McGuigan that he wanted to be joint promoter in future Frampton fights.

“Whilst we had no problem whatsoever in agreeing purses for Carl Frampton, we felt that such a relationship with Barry McGuigan represented a potential conflict of interest with Barry’s role as Carl’s Manager and we could therefore not agree to be involved on this basis.

“Matchroom Sport and I wish Carl every success in his future boxing career.”

Shocking move never seen this coming. MADNESS.

Frank was rumoured to be losing money on BoxNation and he strenuously denied it. His channel looks like a poor stream off the internet when viewed through my Sky box. I only had it the first few months it came out.

Since then I hear he want's a HD channel and maybe he's giving it one last hurrah.

Does anyone know what happened with Billy Joe Saunder v John Ryder. The purse bids were won and fight due to be on Sky. Now the bidding was re-opened and BoxNation got the fight! Gutted, BJS is by far my favourite boxer and I'm holding out for him getting Chris Eubank Jr in the next 12 months.

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[daztrueblue91]

Floyd finally fights a live opponent

Showtime rumoured to have lost big bucks on the ghost fight. They must've told him to fight Canelo or fuck your contract

What do you mean by finally fights a live opponent?

Floyd doesn't get enough credit IMO for what he has achieved so far. Was De La Hoya, Cotto, Hatton, Marquez etc. Not considered a 'live' opponent?

It's makes you wonder who was ducking who in the Mayweather/Paquaio saga. I don't get why Floyd would duck Manny but agree to fight Canelo who is one of the biggest prospects in Boxing.

 

[Lost Pilot]

Loads of people in Belfast gutted Frampton has gone to Warren, went from filling an 8,000 capacity area to the Chisora undercard. Hope Barry knows what he's doing because at the minute it looks like he's cashing in on Carl.

Fair play to Mayweather didnt think this fight would happen, I wonder how much Showtime pushed for this and is there a re hydration clause??

 

[leighton]

Loads of people in Belfast gutted Frampton has gone to Warren, went from filling an 8,000 capacity area to the Chisora undercard. Hope Barry knows what he's doing because at the minute it looks like he's cashing in on Carl.

Fair play to Mayweather didnt think this fight would happen, I wonder how much Showtime pushed for this and is there a re hydration clause??

Whatever chance I had on Frampton being a World Champion is gone out of the window by the end of this year I think it was. Warren is screwed everyone knows it. The only hope he has is to strike a deal with BT Sport and put Boxnation on BT Sport for him to survive and if he has done this then for Frampton and McGugian this could well be a great move. Belfast cards will come. Warren / McGugian and Hearn all seen the cash signs with Frampton. Something about boxing in Ireland people from all over Ireland will travel to watch boxing anywhere here if its a big card. Carl has sold out well. As has Tyson Fury too when he has boxed here.
As for Billy Joe Saunders he is in with his first live wire against Gary Spike O Sullivan on the July 20th card maybe thats why the Ryder and Saunders fight went to purse bids again. I rate Spike highly seen him fight a fair bit and will push Billy Joe all the way when they fight.

 

[conormcfc]

The fight is set for Mexican Independance day as well. It will do huge numbers. Money v Canelo. The catch weight isnt any sort of problem for both fighters. Its not like a Manny catch weight fight. What I am lead to beleive the weigh in has to be 152 pounds. Also what works in Canelos favour is there is no rehydration limit so basically Canleo after the weigh in can rehydrate up to a bigger and more of his normal weight than the 152 pounds. So for me Money is still taking a huge risk with Canelo. Dont forget Money will go into the fight weighing 146 to 150 pounds Canelo could well be 10 to 15 pounds heavier than Money. It will be a interesting fight and this will make both Canelo and Money huge money in PPV sales.

Don't have a catchweight in the first place then? Floyd is obviously looking to get some sort of advantage. Didn't see him giving Cotto a catchweight when they fought at 154. In fact, here's what he said about Cotto in the build up to that fight:

I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn't the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn't hydrated

Canelo is undefeated whatever happens on fight night then Floyd?

This man makes himself look more and more daft by the day.

I hope Canelo completely ignores the catchweight and comes in with the extra 2 pounds of weight, same as Mayweather did in the JMM fight.

 

[Santiago Street]

I've been a longtime critic of Floyd for his cherrypicking and ducking but he can't be faulted here although one can speculate just how much say he had in picking Canelo

Canelo's not getting any smaller but he's never struggled to make 154 so weighing in 2lbs lighter won't mean he has to boil down.

It seems to me that Showtime have put their foot down and told Floyd what we all know - that the biggest fight out there is Canelo so you're fighting this kid on the big Mexican holiday and no bullshit clauses in the contract are gonna scupper the deal i.e no rehydration clause

No doubt the build up will focus on the prospective weight difference at fight time but I don't think Canelo will place too much emphasis on that. He's got to be nimble on his feet to cut the ring down and get to Floyd. Canelo's stamina has already been called into question so it makes no sense to hulk 175lbs round trying to catch the lightning fast Mayweather. If he goes down that road it'll be like Chavez v Martinez.

 

[leighton]

I've been a longtime critic of Floyd for his cherrypicking and ducking but he can't be faulted here although one can speculate just how much say he had in picking Canelo

Canelo's not getting any smaller but he's never struggled to make 154 so weighing in 2lbs lighter won't mean he has to boil down.

It seems to me that Showtime have put their foot down and told Floyd what we all know - that the biggest fight out there is Canelo so you're fighting this kid on the big Mexican holiday and no bullshit clauses in the contract are gonna scupper the deal i.e no rehydration clause

No doubt the build up will focus on the prospective weight difference at fight time but I don't think Canelo will place too much emphasis on that. He's got to be nimble on his feet to cut the ring down and get to Floyd. Canelo's stamina has already been called into question so it makes no sense to hulk 175lbs round trying to catch the lightning fast Mayweather. If he goes down that road it'll be like Chavez v Martinez.

I think Saul is in a situation were he can fight a number of decent fights to set his legacy. People keep going on about Money. He has moved up the weights and boxed at different weight classes. No matter what happens in the Money fight Saul has some tasty fights. IF he moves up to Middleweight he could fight. Sergio Marthinez , Chavez Jnr , Golovkin and some of the UK fighters in Murray and Barker and Macklin.
Also add into the mix the fighters at Super Middleweight. Saul is at the right age to go up in these divisions to take on these men. I know its weird but no matter what happens Saul will move up in the weight divisions more. Money on the other hand wont do. The better fights out there involve those up at Middleweight and Super Middleweight for Saul in my opinion.

 

[pardoe]

I actually think this is a relatively easy fight for Mayweather. Canelo's record given his age is amazing, but he's quite easy to tag, and a defensively-sound technical boxer like Mayweather will outfox him.

I honestly don't see anyone out there who could possibly beat Floyd. Manny's gone, i think we all know why, though i never thought he'd beat Mayweather anyway. There's no-one else at welterweight who's genuinely top class, in my opinion. Bradley would be the most dangerous, but i don't think it would make for a very entertaining fight.

After beating Canelo, Floyd's got four fights left on his new TV deal. One of those will be against Khan, and he'll box his head off quite routinely. To be honest, i'm a bit surprised they've not taken this fight now, Goldenboy must know another defeat would be the end of Khan, as entertaining as he is, for one reason or another.

As for the other three fights, well, Garcia seems an obvious pick. I'm not sure he's quite as heavy handed as people like to suggest, and Floyd would be far too savvy for him. Maybe Devon Alexander and Austin Trout for the other two bouts, neither will trouble him much, although there's always the risk that when fighters reach a certain age they can have one fight too many.

Floyd v Matthysse would be the most interesting one for me.

 

[pardoe]

Which domestic fights would people like to see?

Khan v Brook strikes me as the obvious pick. By all accounts, Brook has schooled Amir a bit in sparring in the past. Don't think Goldenboy would let him fight Brook, whose injury record of late has become a bit worrying. I see them as quite evenly matched, but Brook's maybe a little bigger naturally and can soak punches up better. Could be a real battle. I think i'd favour Kell to stop him.

Frampton v Quigg could become an epic rivalry. Don't see why there couldn't be a couple of right tear-ups there, but probably after they've challenged a bit at world level. Personality-wise, i prefer Quigg of the two, but Frampton's very strong and i think i'd fancy him to win.

I guess Khal Yafai v Jamie McDonnell could happen a year or two down the line. Yafai's the most outstanding British prospect i've seen for some time, and the bantamweight division is becoming quite competitive domestically.

There are plenty of others, though. Fury v Haye would be massive. Any combination of Barker, Macklin & Murray could prove very entertaining. Groves v De Gale II, i could go on...

 

[Santiago Street]

Yep Khan v Brook would be great, a real needle fight. I agree with what you say about Goldenboy steering Khan clear of Brook and anybody faintly dangerous until they can somehow manoeuvre him into a position where he can milk the Mayweather cash cow.

Quigg v Framp would be fun but making that fight became 10 times more unlikely when Framp hooked up with Warren.

There's some great potential fights at lightweight, Rees, Burns, Crolla, Mitchell, Gethin and maybe Murray if he's got anything left.

I'd like to see Cleverly stop fighting faceless bums and test himself, maybe fight Groves or DeGale at a catchweight

Great time to be a boxing fan :)

 

[pardoe]

Cleverly really hasn't pushed on as i hoped he would. Truth be told, i don't know if his heart's really in it. He's a very bright lad and has a career outside of the boxing, i fear his head has been elsewhere, though Warren hasn't helped him much.

A growing issue i have with UK boxing is the rate at which Match Room are expanding. I like the Hearns, especially Eddie, he seems like a genuine fan who knows his onions, and he's matched some of his fighters very well, but they're snapping up most of the talent and such a monopoly is bound to have its drawbacks long term.

You mention John Murray. He's another fighter i had a lot of time for, but he doesn't seem to have reacted well to the two defeats he suffered, both of which were pretty brutal. I honestly thought he was the real deal and expected him to really establish himself at world level. Hopefully he can sort things out, but i've read that he's switched trainers a couple of times and hasn't really been training that well since the Mitchell fight.

There's quite a few good fighters coming through at middleweight below the established names of Barker, Macklin, Murray and Andy Lee. John Ryder and Billy Joe Saunders are rumoured to be facing eachother quite soon, then below them are Adam Etches and Chris Eubank Jr, the latter of which probably suffers because of his name and ego, but in truth he's been very active and quite well matched at times.

I'll probably be in a party of one here, but i actually think Groves v Froch makes sense. Froch is my favourite fighter, and no-one can argue with his record or recent performances, but few people seem to realise how hard Groves hits. If that fight's made at the right time, i don't think Groves could be ruled out.

 

[leighton]

Frampton move is crazy still cant get my head around it. Barry is being greedy big time being his manager. No wonder Matchroom decided to call it a day with them. Warren I think is like a cat got 9 lives. He will no doubt get some sort of backing and might end up getting back some of his fighters he has lost with BT Sport if they were to come in and give him some sort of backing it could well lead to more fighters moving rounds for better deals.

His 20th July card. Billy Joe Saunders v Spike O Sullivan looks a stand out fight on the card and would top many bills. Add to that Frampton and Chisora not a bad card.

Must see fights Frampton v Quigg. Carl is too much for Quigg who hasnt boxed in ages.

Barker v Murray , Lee , Macklin they could have a load of fights with these 4 fighters if they want to thats just how good all 4 in the top 10 of World ranking bodies too.

Groves v Froch like Hearn said on Ringside in a year this could be a great fight.

Heavyweight Price v Fury has to happen the winner fights Haye fancy Price to beat Fury.

 

[roaminblue]

I actually think this is a relatively easy fight for Mayweather. Canelo's record given his age is amazing, but he's quite easy to tag, and a defensively-sound technical boxer like Mayweather will outfox him.

I honestly don't see anyone out there who could possibly beat Floyd. Manny's gone, i think we all know why, though i never thought he'd beat Mayweather anyway. There's no-one else at welterweight who's genuinely top class, in my opinion. Bradley would be the most dangerous, but i don't think it would make for a very entertaining fight.

After beating Canelo, Floyd's got four fights left on his new TV deal. One of those will be against Khan, and he'll box his head off quite routinely. To be honest, i'm a bit surprised they've not taken this fight now, Goldenboy must know another defeat would be the end of Khan, as entertaining as he is, for one reason or another.

As for the other three fights, well, Garcia seems an obvious pick. I'm not sure he's quite as heavy handed as people like to suggest, and Floyd would be far too savvy for him. Maybe Devon Alexander and Austin Trout for the other two bouts, neither will trouble him much, although there's always the risk that when fighters reach a certain age they can have one fight too many.

Floyd v Matthysse would be the most interesting one for me.

Agreed on both canelo and pacquiao. Mayweather is just so organised, defensively, and that frustrates so effectively. I think canelo will frustrate and start getting wild.

Manny, I wish things had turned out differently, but I do think mayweather would have been a bit too much.

It's a shame because I can't stand him

 

[norfstander]

Heavyweight Price v Fury has to happen the winner fights Haye fancy Price to beat Fury.

I think i'd strongly favour Fury in that one. Like him or hate him, he's been better matched and has got through crisises in real battles. The first time Price got tickled round the ear he fell like a tree. No doubt that Price is the bigger puncher of the two, but i think Fury could take what he has to offer, or at least survive a couple of knockdowns. As soon as Fury tested Price's chin, i think he'd have a major wobble.

It's just a shame that Haye's chosen to be a celebrity over a boxer, and when he is fighting assumes that he's worthy of the Klitschkos or no-one when he's not really earned it at the weight. Again, there's the makings of a great triangular tournament there with the three of them, but sadly one big fight in Germany or the US is worth more to any of them than anything they could do here.

(I think Haye would beat both Fury and Price, for the record).

 

[Santiago Street]

Cleverly really hasn't pushed on as i hoped he would. Truth be told, i don't know if his heart's really in it. He's a very bright lad and has a career outside of the boxing, i fear his head has been elsewhere, though Warren hasn't helped him much.

A growing issue i have with UK boxing is the rate at which Match Room are expanding. I like the Hearns, especially Eddie, he seems like a genuine fan who knows his onions, and he's matched some of his fighters very well, but they're snapping up most of the talent and such a monopoly is bound to have its drawbacks long term.

You mention John Murray. He's another fighter i had a lot of time for, but he doesn't seem to have reacted well to the two defeats he suffered, both of which were pretty brutal. I honestly thought he was the real deal and expected him to really establish himself at world level. Hopefully he can sort things out, but i've read that he's switched trainers a couple of times and hasn't really been training that well since the Mitchell fight.

There's quite a few good fighters coming through at middleweight below the established names of Barker, Macklin, Murray and Andy Lee. John Ryder and Billy Joe Saunders are rumoured to be facing eachother quite soon, then below them are Adam Etches and Chris Eubank Jr, the latter of which probably suffers because of his name and ego, but in truth he's been very active and quite well matched at times.

I'll probably be in a party of one here, but i actually think Groves v Froch makes sense. Froch is my favourite fighter, and no-one can argue with his record or recent performances, but few people seem to realise how hard Groves hits. If that fight's made at the right time, i don't think Groves could be ruled out.

The Hearn ethos seems to be give the public what they want as opposed to Warren's ethos give the public what they'll put up with. The only drawback to Matchroom dominating things is the £15 ppv we'll have to pay every couple of months for progressively less worthy fights.

I like Groves but since fighting De Gale over 2 years ago he's fought bums and a 75 year old Glen Johnson. Booth should try and match him with Abraham or Stevenson - any proper world ranked fighter. And I've noticed him copying some of Haye's moves in the ring which is only gonna get him in trouble. Haye has exceptional reflexes and balance, George doesn't.

I'd be surprised to see John Murray box again. With the miles he's got on the clock and the way he fights I kind of hope he doesn't to be honest.