The British Monarchy

Referenda are ok if it's written in that any change is backed by a substantial majority - 70 or 75%. Westminster FC have had their arses well and truly bitten by the last one, and both Boris and Liz were quick to fuck off Wee Jimmy for another Scottish one. If it's just a simple majority - 50.1% - it can bring a right balls up down the driveway.
And manifesto are largely never considered by the electorate. The case in point being the 2019 Tory manifesto. The election for many was about one issue for many voters. The additional policies being justified most recently by the buffoon as an overwhelming mandate.
 
Time to bin the lot of them, a drain on the country with all the hangers on and multiple country houses, an utterly pointless family
They literally make a huge profit that goes into the exchequer every year.

It was something like £80million last year that was able to be spent in the government’s budget.

To say “they’re a drain” is ignorant recycled crap you’ve heard someone else say
 
Not a monarchist and don't agree with the concept but I would agree that by and large Elizabeth was an excellent ambassador for the UK on the international stage. Given how our international image has already diminished in recent years her passing may add to the sense of a declining nation that people in other countries perceive. Whether for or against, it is the end of an era.

She presided over much of the move away from empire and for a time we seemed to be on our way to a new identity but latterly appear to have become lost along the way. I doubt her son or any of our current political leadership are able to lead the reinvention we need as a nation. Arguably he is representative of the things that prevent us from moving on, but I would love to be proved wrong.

I am of the view that the huge amount of coverage and extensive pageantry will be less about mourning her as a monarch and more about seeking to maintain a narrative about the continued relevance of the monarchy. Everything is very performative at the moment, including some people's reactions. This is understandable as the main function of a monarchy in the modern world is largely performative. However, it will be interesting to see once the dust has settled and we go back to the reality of our current national situation, how much, if any, of a sea change in our attitudes to the monarchy there is.
 
Sorry I'm posting this here as having a separate thread to debate the need for a monarchy assuming this isn't pulled too. BM shouldn't be an echo chamber and we should at least tolerate differences of opinion.


This is entirely the right time to start a genuine debate on the monarchy.

QEII was a great head of state and a touchstone for the entirety of my life. She represented UK well and was held in I think universal high regard. We'll literally never have anyone like her.

I really don't want a President Blair or Johnson god forbid. But equally look at the size of the royal family. The Queen, Charles, Anne and William do fulfill many engagements, do charity work. What about all the others? Also it incenses me that they wish to add Mountbatten to their name, will's youngest is named after him. Read what Mountbatten did during Partition he was and always will be a cowardly dishonest piece of shit with plenty of blood on his hands. My grandfathers fought in Burma for the empire. They didn't have their own country to go back to and legacy of Mountbatten is poisonous to this day.

Sorry for the rant but some things can't be forgotten. What about the utter corruption of the honours system? Saville, Smith, Johnson and the cronies he's created, not great adverts. At work we can nominate people for honours, surprisingly it's the good and great at the top of the organisation who get peerages.

It's wrong, the monarchy should be scaled back with the intention of being eventually abolished. Do we need a ceremonial head of state or a properly elected democratic leader, through proportional representation.
 
Where as i largely agree with most of that, you only have to look at the thousands that will line the streets for her to see her drive past. Thousands smiling broadly, waving flags, buzzing because they saw the queen. Now although i would say im a mild royalist (happy with the concept though needs reform and slimming down) i wouldnt travel too far to see her, but thousands do and it makes their day!

So whatever it is, and ive no idea, she brought total happiness to millions of people when they saw her. If you could bottle it youd make billions
In response, I would say that it is easy to believe what you are told all of your life. I agree with you: to many she is an important figure and they will be sad today. If I look at the output of the BBC and the Daily Mail, it is heavily swayed towards the saintly and, to be frank, always has been when it comes to Elizabeth II. If you have grown up in a royalist family, you will veer towards the reported view and not question it.
 
Is getting a divorce a poor reflection on a mother? Oops say a sizeable portion of sons and daughters.
If you judge someone by saintly standards, probably. The divorces are but one element of what I did say though.
 
The monarch is required by law (Bill of Rights) to be ethnically German, i.e. a decendant of the Elector of Hanover.
I was like, I never types that yesterday, that is some random quotation from an older post lol
 
Just to add......If this Royalty thing is carried on with and if Charlie care's as much as his Mother did about the role of Royalty, he would hand succession now to William and miss his go, the guy's is a weak fuckwit who cheated on his wife from day 1, and his wife has the morals of an alleycat.
But he doesn't care imo, he want's his name in history.
I like you Bill, but I am glad that your views are the other side of the world as I fundamentally disagree with you.

Just to add, I have been up all night and drink has been taken so I am proud of my restraint.
 

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