The Conservative Party

mosssideblue said:
Farage boosting his ranks from failed Tories, great strategy
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There has to be a point where Farage starts turning them away, right?

Now they just want seats for legitimacy, but it's going to be hard to fight an election as different to the tories when 40% of your MP's are tories.
 
domalino said:
There has to be a point where Farage starts turning them away, right?

Now they just want seats for legitimacy, but it's going to be hard to fight an election as different to the tories when 40% of your MP's are tories.
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To'' get that '' would require critical thinking skills ...... not available in the Reform toolbox.
 
It puzzles me how Reform think their seats at the next election will come from the Labour Party,
they are closely aligned to the Conservatives.
I don’t see them as a threat to the Labour government at all
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
It puzzles me how Reform think their seats at the next election will come from the Labour Party,
they are closely aligned to the Conservatives.
I don’t see them as a threat to the Labour government at all
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The polls (yes, I know) suggests you’re wrong and they are a real threat to the government.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
It puzzles me how Reform think their seats at the next election will come from the Labour Party,
they are closely aligned to the Conservatives.
I don’t see them as a threat to the Labour government at all
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It’s quite simple. With many of the media moguls on the side of the right, which includes SM, they’ll play the same as they did with Brexit, turning those red wall seats aqua.

It will be down to the current government to deliver in this term, they won’t be given time because certain entities don’t want it.

Remember when the media were worried that they’d get at least 2 terms because the Tories were in disarray, which may have had a real impact on rich people taking even more money away from the workers, they quickly turned to Reform as their saviour.

We’re on our own against a world that wants to see us fall.
 
Robert Jenreichs curious grasp on reality and analysis of polls

www.gbnews.com

Robert Jenrick issues warning over 'neglected history' as new polling shows 2 in 3 young Britons don’t know what Battle of Britain is

The findings follow a YouGov survey earlier in the year, which found just 11 per cent of Gen Z said they would fight for Britain
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com

brokenbottleboy.substack.com

Bobby Jenrick vs Bertolt Brecht

Robert Jenrick and The Daily Telegraph are banging on about history teaching but their memories don't stretch as far as 2013.
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no idea why she is banging on about an election - she won't be leader by then anyway - under her they have tumbled to 15% in the polls

 
Kirkstall Blue said:
It puzzles me how Reform think their seats at the next election will come from the Labour Party,
they are closely aligned to the Conservatives.
I don’t see them as a threat to the Labour government at all
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I think McSweeney and Starmer think the same.

They are probably already their second term and potential third if Reform split the Tories.

Sadly, both of those men suffer from Hubris and we could have a US scenario where Labour are crying about why they lost without realising it was their own undoing by some of the policies made.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
It puzzles me how Reform think their seats at the next election will come from the Labour Party,
they are closely aligned to the Conservatives.
I don’t see them as a threat to the Labour government at all
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Reform think they've got the working-class vote - and, imho, there's a strong chance that they have much of it, as people are generally thoughtless, shallow and selfish and will never realise that the cunts they vote in will never do anything to improve their lives.

Whilst to a large extent my last comment is a truism, Labour - historically the party of the working class - have in the past done things to help "their own" - Reform will indeed help their own xenophobic millionaire/rich backers, and rely on the race card to be sufficiently divisive to wean the thick and feeble minded working class fuckers away from Labour in sufficient numbers to give us a Trumpian future.

The Conservative party can only offer an equally unpalatable version of the Reform manifesto - just slightly watered down.

I feel sad for my grand kids, having such shit choices before them, from so many dishonest politicians offering them a future built on bullshit.
 
the blue panther said:
Reform think they've got the working-class vote - and, imho, there's a strong chance that they have much of it, as people are generally thoughtless, shallow and selfish and will never realise that the cunts they vote in will never do anything to improve their lives.

Whilst to a large extent my last comment is a truism, Labour - historically the party of the working class - have in the past done things to help "their own" - Reform will indeed help their own xenophobic millionaire/rich backers, and rely on the race card to be sufficiently divisive to wean the thick and feeble minded working class fuckers away from Labour in sufficient numbers to give us a Trumpian future.

The Conservative party can only offer an equally unpalatable version of the Reform manifesto - just slightly watered down.

I feel sad for my grand kids, having such shit choices before them, from so many dishonest politicians offering them a future built on bullshit.
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As was commented by Billy Bragg on this weeks QT. With the polling Farage et al are pulling, they are becoming under much more scrutiny as to what their policies are. This will be their undoing
 
mosssideblue said:
As was commented by Billy Bragg on this weeks QT. With the polling Farage et al are pulling, they are becoming under much more scrutiny as to what their policies are. This will be their undoing
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Hopefully, but, the race card has become very, very strong. It bodes badly for the Conservative Party on any view.

Perhaps the Monster Raving Looney Party's time has finally arrived. Question is, will the real Monster Raving Looneys make themselves known?
 
the blue panther said:
Reform think they've got the working-class vote - and, imho, there's a strong chance that they have much of it, as people are generally thoughtless, shallow and selfish and will never realise that the cunts they vote in will never do anything to improve their lives.

Whilst to a large extent my last comment is a truism, Labour - historically the party of the working class - have in the past done things to help "their own" - Reform will indeed help their own xenophobic millionaire/rich backers, and rely on the race card to be sufficiently divisive to wean the thick and feeble minded working class fuckers away from Labour in sufficient numbers to give us a Trumpian future.

The Conservative party can only offer an equally unpalatable version of the Reform manifesto - just slightly watered down.

I feel sad for my grand kids, having such shit choices before them, from so many dishonest politicians offering them a future built on bullshit.
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The working class have a lot to answer for and I consider myself working class!
 
Poor bastards, don’t even get a look-in nowadays, an occasional post to keep them relevant, with most of their supporters on here moving to Reform.

I’d actually feel sorry for Badenoch if they provided Conservative policies, but they seem to be trying to outdo Reform with the policies of hate.

Such a shame. We need an effective Shadow Government that seems to have crossed the floor to Reform.

Same people, more extreme message.
 
Can't help but feel there's an opportunity for the Conservatives if they could, just for a second, stop trying their best to imitate Reform. They're never going to outflank them, so why are they even trying? It is guaranteeing their death as a party.

They need to get back to their roots - pro-markets (yes that includes the EU), socially liberal. Maybe try to bring back some of those "traditional values" like decorum, respectability, reasonable diplomacy... all things the right has sadly completely lost and our politics is a lot poorer for it. Where are the Kenneth Clarkes, or the Michael Heseltines? At least they had the good manners to sound like reasonable people while pushing through policies I totally disagreed with.

I still probably wouldn't vote for them, but I know a lot who might consider it if they actually had something to offer that wasn't just foaming at the mouth and acting outraged at everything the country has become... despite them being in charge of it for a decade and a half. Every time I hear Mel Stride talking about Rachel Reeves making all the wrong decisions, I don't hear anything about what they would actually do differently. They are a corpse of a party who's identity has rotted away from decades of abandoning their actual ideology for whatever is politically most convenient at the time. They stand for nothing except whichever way the wind is blowing at that time.

Might be best at this point to remove the whip from all their MPs and start again.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Poor bastards, don’t even get a look-in nowadays, an occasional post to keep them relevant, with most of their supporters on here moving to Reform.

I’d actually feel sorry for Badenoch if they provided Conservative policies, but they seem to be trying to outdo Reform with the policies of hate.

Such a shame. We need an effective Shadow Government that seems to have crossed the floor to Reform.

Same people, more extreme message.
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Just a gentle reminder that ''crossing the floor'' to join Reform isn't because the individual MP has changed ............they've always agreed with that 'extreme message' .
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
It puzzles me how Reform think their seats at the next election will come from the Labour Party,
they are closely aligned to the Conservatives.
I don’t see them as a threat to the Labour government at all
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Its totally traditional labour working class areas that will move to reform rather than traditional tory, leafy, suburban areas
 
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