The Conservative Party

[oldius]

I was looking before for the pay rises awarded to NHS nurses in the last twelve years. In total, it is £4,044. That works out as a £347 increase a month in twelve years - an average annual rise of £29.81 a month. In the same period, MP pay has increased by £18,400, or £1,533 a month. Personally, I couldn't really give a toss about MP pay, but when the media condemns nurses for finally taking action, for the first time ever, they need to consider that in real terms, nurses have lost £1,545 a year, in addition to continuing to work in an organisation that has been decimated.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Yes, they have lost the support of the majority of those who may have voted for them. Nevertheless, those voters will be fickle enough to vote for them again, especially if Rwanda goes ahead.

The Rwanda plan will be an expensive unmitigated disaster like most other "off the wall ideas" they have come up with.

 

[oldius]

It didn't work for them in Scotland where they are now extinct. If they ignore the centre ground they are doomed. Most of their ageing base will be dead before they next get a sniff of power.

It is similar to the monarchy, in fact. Very few young people have any interest in the monarchy, or in voting Conservative. If that continues, and if young people can bother to vote, we may soon see a time in history where the Conservatives never gain power again.

 

[oldius]

The Rwanda plan will be an expensive unmitigated disaster like most other "off the wall ideas" they have come up with.

It is dreadful, but it has appeal to Daily Mail readers by about 10:1

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

It is similar to the monarchy, in fact. Very few young people have any interest in the monarchy, or in voting Conservative. If that continues, and if young people can bother to vote, we may soon see a time in history where the Conservatives never gain power again.

I think that's true, especially as most people under 35 can't get on the property ladder so are unlikely to be as driven by self-interest as previous generations. As Bob Dylan once said: "When you ain't got nothing you've got nothing to lose."

 

[BeerIsTheBest]

Sunak is much more stupid than I thought he was. How thick do you have to be to back yourself into a corner by saying "I won't back down." Virtually every dispute in history has to be settled by compromise. He seems to think it's still the 1980s and he's Margaret Thatcher taking on Scargill, the "big bad wolf." This corrupt government can't expect to win a PR battle with nurses and ambulance staff.

Bobbyoq

You are so right in my view. In previous roles I’ve negotiated with multiple unions, I’ve overseen strikes and work to rules. One problem I posted earlier in this thread is so few people have hands on experience of full on industrial disputes. The days of smoky rooms and late nights till it’s settled have long gone. We’re left with a bunch of lunatics who are trying to be the hardest in the room. Choosing to stand behind the guidance of a pay review body who are in no way independent and who are appointed by senior government and who we now know based their recommendations on out of date figures and forecasts is bound to lead to trouble. The government is staffed by imbeciles.
Best present you could receive this year is a defibrillator.

 

[BeerIsTheBest]

Lynch is losing support. The public are fed up with the strikes, the only people supporting them are the 24/7 Lefties sitting at home thrashing away on their keyboards forever polluting social media.
Just think though....... Vote Labour.......you get the worst opposition leader in British history. Vote Labour..... You get Marcus Rashford. Vote Labour .... You get Gary Neville.

Thornlibank

Everyones entitled to view and good for you for expressing it. If option 1 is to vote Tory after the complete shitshow they have overseen and option 2 is to vote for a Labour Party you clearly dislike. And if you are saying one is as bad as another who are you advocating we should vote for?
The Tories have trashed the country and mortgaged our future for the next 10-20 years. They have been proven to be duplicitous liars and imbeciles more interested in self interest. Change is needed and whoever takes power needs a major to get things done.
So what say you?

 

[bluethrunthru]

I was looking before for the pay rises awarded to NHS nurses in the last twelve years. In total, it is £4,044. That works out as a £347 increase a month in twelve years - an average annual rise of £29.81 a month. In the same period, MP pay has increased by £18,400, or £1,533 a month. Personally, I couldn't really give a toss about MP pay, but when the media condemns nurses for finally taking action, for the first time ever, they need to consider that in real terms, nurses have lost £1,545 a year, in addition to continuing to work in an organisation that has been decimated.

and that doesn't even factor in that with the early starts and late finishes outside their shifts means they all work on average a day a week unpaid......

 

[kaz7]

When i smashed my shoulder into several bits and could hardly move from throwing up and dizzy , a friend helped me into a taxi and we went ten miles to hospital, same when i broke my ankle , people really need to leave 999 alone for things like that and help the system

The gov versus the nurses and paramedics , the gov wont win

 

[oldius]

Lynch is losing support. The public are fed up with the strikes, the only people supporting them are the 24/7 Lefties sitting at home thrashing away on their keyboards forever polluting social media.
Just think though....... Vote Labour.......you get the worst opposition leader in British history. Vote Labour..... You get Marcus Rashford. Vote Labour .... You get Gary Neville.

I am not aware that people do not support, or are losing support for strikes. What evidence do you have for that?
Other than him playing for United, what problem do you have with Marcus Rashford - he seems a decent young man to me?
Gary Neville isn't a politician - in what way would I be getting him if I vote Labour?