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[Cricket Blue]

to correct all the issues with the council, they need more money.
the central govt funding to the councils is being cut (and has been for the last decade) so the difference has to be made up somehow or services deteriorate or are cut

what really needs to happen is the central govt need to increase taxes on the rich and restructure taxes so large corporations pay their fair share, so central govt can restore council fundiing to reasonable levels

as long as we have a tory govt, then public services will get worse

I get your points but I have to fork out £1000 (I live om my own) and that's with the discount.
Really don't know what I pay for, I know it's more than the bins being collected. But I find Trafford a poor council to be honest and they don't seem to care for the welfare of single men. It's all about others.

 

[BrianW]

You can choose to buy a different brand of baked beans. We are stuck with the same incompetent council who seem to hemorrhage cash.

But what if all tins of baked beans go up? As you know, food inflation has been running riot.

With equally simple 'logic' I could say, move to a different Council area. Maybe one run by Tories as they get a better deal from their mates in Westminster, due to the rancid corruption of national politics.

 

[BlueMoonday]

I get your points but I have to fork out £1000 (I live om my own) and that's with the discount.
Really don't know what I pay for, I know it's more than the bins being collected. But I find Trafford a poor council to be honest and they don't seem to care for the welfare of single men. It's all about others.

I feel your pain. Ridiculously unfair for a single occupant to be charged so much when you barely use any of the services.

 

[Cricket Blue]

I feel your pain. Ridiculously unfair for a single occupant to be charged so much when you barely use any of the services.

Yep they don't care

 

[BlueMoonday]

But what if all tins of baked beans go up? As you know, food inflation has been running riot.

With equally simple 'logic' I could say, move to a different Council area. Maybe one run by Tories as they get a better deal from their mates in Westminster, due to the rancid corruption of national politics.

The cost of beans going up is driven by increased cost of raw materials. There's not much that can be done about this, especially if it's imported. What a supplier would be doing though is looking to off set costs elsewhere to pass on as much savings as possible to the consumer. This could be things like looking to use cheaper alternative packaging or cheaper transport / distribution channels to offset costs.

It is just so basic of a council to roll out a blanket increase in Council Tax whilst they remain incompetent, inefficient and don't learn from mistakes.

 

[pirate]

I get your points but I have to fork out £1000 (I live om my own) and that's with the discount.
Really don't know what I pay for, I know it's more than the bins being collected. But I find Trafford a poor council to be honest and they don't seem to care for the welfare of single men. It's all about others.

so you dont use roads? policing isnt for you? you dont want to contribute to the fire brigade, you just want your hpuse to burn down?
Then there are the services you could choose to use (sports, libraries etc) or you could access if you become poor.

Granted about 50% of local authority expenditure is spent on education, which you do not directly use.
However consider a) you did use the services as a child 2) would you really want the next generation not to be educated as they are they are the ones who will be paying for and actually looking after you when you get too old to look after yourself.

 

[BlueMoonday]

so you dont use roads? policing isnt for you? you dont want to contribute to the fire brigade, you just want your hpuse to burn down?
Then there are the services you could choose to use (sports, libraries etc) or you could access if you become poor.

Granted about 50% of local authority expenditure is spent on education, which you do not directly use.
However consider a) you did use the services as a child 2) would you really want the next generation not to be educated as they are they are the ones who will be paying for and actually looking after you when you get too old to look after yourself.

A single occupant would still be paying for policing, the fire service and social care etc. The point is, a single occupant is technically paying more for this service per head than a married / living couple would or an adult shared household where the Council Tax can be split. What part of this do you not understand? Is maths not one of your strengths I take it?

Haha!! "did you use services as a child"

I'm pretty sure his parents paid council tax at the time for that.

 

[pirate]

I understand inflation probably better than you do. How do you not understand you can off set costs by cutting unnecessary expenditure. This is what businesses and families do when facing challenges with inflation. How do you not understand this?

You conveniently ignored this point I made to chase likes. Condescending c*nt

Firtsly I dont chase likes, dont know how many I get and really dont care
secondly in previous posts i did ask what people would cut to stop the rises in council tax, sorry i didnt ask you directly my reply to you, I would be really interested what you think could be cut to keep the council tax bills down.
these would have to make a saving of about 3-4 billion quid nationally to stop the increase in council tax. This would be on top of the 4-5 billion quid they will already have to find as inflation is 9.2% and the rise is capped by central government at 4%. I dont think there is 10 billion quid of unnecessary spending that can be cut. If you can point me in the right direction with some examples I would be very grateful
I hope you dont think this makes me more of a condescending ****

 

[Cricket Blue]

so you dont use roads? policing isnt for you? you dont want to contribute to the fire brigade, you just want your hpuse to burn down?
Then there are the services you could choose to use (sports, libraries etc) or you could access if you become poor.

Granted about 50% of local authority expenditure is spent on education, which you do not directly use.
However consider a) you did use the services as a child 2) would you really want the next generation not to be educated as they are they are the ones who will be paying for and actually looking after you when you get too old to look after yourself.

I get your summary, but I don't think it's very fair that I have to pay this amount, its a fucking joke to be honest
The system should be structured on affordability, my own opinion is the singles reduction should be 50% but it won't happen as single people get fucked every which way with everything

 

[pirate]

A single occupant would still be paying for policing, the fire service and social care etc. The point is, a single occupant is technically paying more for this service per head than a married / living couple would or an adult shared household where the Council Tax can be split. What part of this do you not understand? Is maths not one of your strengths I take it?

Haha!! "did you use services as a child"

I'm pretty sure his parents paid council tax at the time for that.

So you you dont think paying for education has any benefit to society in general that single men benefit from?
I think you are wrong, but obviously you do not.
i think the 25% discount is a bargain compared to the benefits of social cohesion, you do not.
I think we will have to agree to disagree on that point

as for the issue of number of people in a household and the effects on amount of council tax paid, just highlights that the whole concept of council tax is flawed. Either a property value tax or a local income tax would be better systems. Personally I would go for a local income tax.