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[Vic]

Any reason you chose the leave off the word "reasonably" when critiquing my last paragraph? The word that gives the other two context and proportionality and reflects the current legal position.

Which individuals have I belittled? Can you name them please.

"Felt attacked" is the defence. "Reasonably" would be left to the court to decide. Unless you meant whether the CPS would take into account what a jury might think reasonable in deciding whether to charge.

But your view of the CPS is coloured by your view of its managers that "he or she presumably oversaw its castration and complete voiding of any morale."

I assumed you had names in mind. If you didn't, I guess that avoids defamation but also voids the comment of any serious attention.

The question in this case will be whether he really thought a woman in a bright red dress with a Greenpeace sash was about to attack the chancellor of the exchequer, or realised what was really happening (a peaceful protest) and used unreasonable force against an unarmed woman to stop it. His defence will be that he really did perceive that there was a risk of violence against another person (otherwise he may well be guilty of assault).

And that's without "weighing to a nicety" his reaction. [Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 s.76].

Selective use and presentation of the words in the posts of others 'is a thing'

And you can just piss off unless you're adding legal expertise to your CV.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

"Felt attacked" is the defence. "Reasonably" would be left to the court to decide. Unless you meant whether the CPS would take into account what a jury might think reasonable in deciding whether to charge.

Of course they do. How else could they more purposefully apply the 'realistic prospect of conviction' test?

 

[Vic]

Of course they do. How else could they more purposefully apply the 'realistic prospect of conviction' test?

You mean of course that's what you meant.

I go back to the words I took issues with.

"The laws of assault should always favour those who reasonably feel attacked. The alternative is malign and dangerous."

The law does favour the alleged assailant if they plead self defence or defence of another person as it's then up to the prosecution to prove it wasn't self defence. Which may be difficult if there are no witnesses.

Your phraseology also seemed to me to be edging toward allowing excessive force (and USA style stand your ground laws). My apologies if that wasn't your intention.

 

[Gazza]

What's the point in these leadership debates? The nation can't vote on them anyway so why try to appeal to us? Just have a closed off debate in front of the voting Tories and spare us the bullshit, boredom and fake promises until they're chosen.

 

[roxy]

In the past - the recent past - this sort of behaviour would be seen as a security risk and bar you from high office. John Profumo was hard done by.................

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9322111/boris-johnson-how-many-children/

Cecil Parkinson had to resign from the Thatcher cabinet after he got his secretary pregnant. Johnson won’t even admit how many children he’s had with women other than his wife and he could well be PM. How times change.

 

[mat]

They've crowned Bojo.

Booing one of their own. Tory loving Iain Dale for having the audacity to ask him about being visited by the police.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Cecil Parkinson had to resign from the Thatcher cabinet after he got his secretary pregnant. Johnson won’t even admit how many children he’s had with women other than his wife and he could well be PM. How times change.

Because ....... Conservatives

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You mean of course that's what you meant.

I go back to the words I took issues with.

"The laws of assault should always favour those who reasonably feel attacked. The alternative is malign and dangerous."

The law does favour the alleged assailant if they plead self defence of defence of another person as it's then up to the prosecution to prove it wasn't self defence. Which may be difficult if there are no witnesses.

Your phraseology also seemed to me to be edging toward allowing excessive force (and USA style stand your ground laws). My apologies if that wasn't your intention.

It certainly was not, and apology accepted :-)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Cecil Parkinson had to resign from the Thatcher cabinet after he got his secretary pregnant. Johnson won’t even admit how many children he’s had with women other than his wife and he could well be PM. How times change.

Parkinson refused to have anything to do with the daughter that (ten year) relationship he had with his secretary produced. Utter fucking scumbag.

 

[Len Rum]

They've crowned Bojo.

Booing one of their own. Tory loving Iain Dale for having the audacity to ask him about being visited by the police.

Johnson was an embarrassment in the Q&A session with Dale but the Tory codgers and gammons cheered him to the rafters.
What a fcuking state this country is in.

 

[malg]

Can't stand that "gammon" term. So a derogatory term for the colour of someone's skin is only allowed if the person is white? I wonder if it would be acceptable for a newspaper, or a poster on here to call Chuka a choc ice?

 

[lancs blue]

Can't stand that "gammon" term. So a derogatory term for the colour of someone's skin is only allowed if the person is white? I wonder if it would be acceptable for a newspaper, or a poster on here to call Chuka a choc ice?

I don't like "gammon" or "snowflake", stupid puerile nonsense.

 

[Len Rum]

Can't stand that "gammon" term. So a derogatory term for the colour of someone's skin is only allowed if the person is white? I wonder if it would be acceptable for a newspaper, or a poster on here to call Chuka a choc ice?

It's used freely on this forum mate even by mods who post.
So intend of complaining from the sidelines you need to get off your arse and persuade the mods to announce a forum ban on it's use.
PS and 'snowflake' as referred to above.

 

[malg]

It's used freely on this forum mate even by mods who post.
So intend of complaining from the sidelines you need to get off your arse and persuade the mods to announce a forum ban on it's use.

No point. Gammon is a derogatory term used to describe middle aged white men. I shouldn't have to bring it up that it's about the colour of someone's skin. The board is very, very, very Left leaning so it's allowed. I'm surprised at you using it.

 

[Len Rum]

No point. Gammon is a derogatory term used to describe middle aged white men. I shouldn't have to bring it up that it's about the colour of someone's skin. The board is very, very, very Left leaning so it's allowed. I'm surprised at you using it.

'very,very,very Left leaning' - LOL.

 

[malg]

'very,very,very Left leaning' - LOL.

It is.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Because ....... Cuntservatives

Edited

 

[bluethrunthru]

Johnson was an embarrassment in the Q&A session with Dale but the Tory codgers and gammons cheered him to the rafters.
What a fcuking state this country is in.

Great stuff - Agent Boris taking up the good work done by Agent May and destroying the Conservative and Unionist Death Cult who would rather see their own party disappear than not have Brexit - the one thing they fear is a Corbyn Labour Govt............get Boris in, drive through their beloved No Deal and thats what they will get ..............they are simply that stupid or that blinkered.

 

[west didsblue]

Can't stand that "gammon" term. So a derogatory term for the colour of someone's skin is only allowed if the person is white? I wonder if it would be acceptable for a newspaper, or a poster on here to call Chuka a choc ice?

Rubbish. It’s for a red face. Red to indicate someone always angry about trivial shite. Bit like your post.

 

[BobKowalski]

'very,very,very Left leaning' - LOL.

I think the definition of ‘left leaning’ on here means if you are not on board with slapping a woman around then you are clearly some Tory hating, lentil eating, tree hugging, snowflake leftie :)