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[gordondaviesmoustache]

But not because they are white males.

I disagree. I believe the term is aimed in that direction. Doesn’t bother me very much, but that’s my interpretation.

 

[west didsblue]

I disagree. I believe the term is aimed in that direction. Doesn’t bother me very much, but that’s my interpretation.

It’s because they are angry Little Englanders imo. It’s true most are white males but that’s incidental.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It’s because they are angry Little Englanders imo. It’s true most are white males but that’s incidental.

The mere fact that their ruddy hue is far more discernible than people of colour is enough a point of differentiation to make it mildly racist, surely?

 

[bluethrunthru]

The mere fact that their ruddy hue is far more discernible than people of colour is enough a point of differentiation to make it mildly racist, surely?

I'd argue that racism based on skin colour is based on original skin colour - if a pasty white that turns livid pink then its not. Its hard to determine what hue and how livid the pasty face will go also when and why - the original skin colour will remain the same to identify the wearer. I am pasty white - I'd guess quite a few things turn me gammon but right now you'd struggle to spot that.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I'd argue that racism based on skin colour is based on original skin colour - if a pasty white that turns livid pink then its not.

Not all racism is based on skin colour.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Not all racism is based on skin colour.

The phrase "gammon" is about nothing other than skin colour though.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The phrase "gammon" is about nothing other than skin colour though.

How many young females get called gammon?

 

[bluethrunthru]

How many young females get called gammon?

Ok so its sexist, ageist and racist. How many black or brown people get called gammon? It is solely based on the change in skin colour.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Ok so its sexist, ageist and racist. How many black or brown people get called gammon? It is solely based on the change in skin colour.

Which is solely white people.

Look, as a white middle aged male I don’t find the term especially offensive, but I do think it’s mildly racist. Society is replete with mild racism from all points of the compass. As long as it’s not malign or hate-filled, I’ve learned to live with it. Life’s too short; so I’m genuinely not bothered about it - but it is a bit racist and your foregoing ‘original skin colour’ predication doesn’t make any sense if the only people who are discernibly prone to tha change are one particular ethnic group.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Which is solely white people.

Look, as a white middle aged male I don’t find the term especially offensive, but I do think it’s mildly racist. Society is replete with mild racism from all points of the compass. As long as it’s not malign or hate-filled, I’ve learned to live with it. Life’s too short; so I’m genuinely not bothered about it - but it is a bit racist and your foregoing ‘original skin colour’ predication doesn’t make any sense if the only people who are discernibly prone to that are one particular ethnic group.

I respect your right to feel offended.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I respect your right to feel offended.

Thanks. I don’t.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Thanks. I don’t.

Yes you do. You said so 10 minutes ago.

 

[DiscoSteve]

I've never even heard the phrase gammon used for anything other than those salty pink bacon steaks that come from somewhere special on the pig and taste great with a fried egg (not pinapple thanks) chips and birds eye peas

Mountain... molehill...

Or are outraged millenials at work here?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Yes you do. You said so 10 minutes ago.

When I said “doesn’t bother me very much”?

 

[bluethrunthru]

When I said “doesn’t bother me very much”?

no when you said that its a term you don't find "especially offensive" which implies that in some degree you are offended by it but not as much as other terms of reference - you can scroll back and re-read your own post if you like.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

no when you said that its a term you don't find "especially offensive" which implies that in some degree you are offended by it but not as much as other terms of reference - you can scroll back and re-read your own post if you like.

No need, I did say that.

Ok. I don’t to a worthwhile extent.

 

[mat]

Reading the interactions between @bluethrunthru and @gordondaviesmoustache on this thread reminds me of this.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The phrase "gammon" is about nothing other than skin colour though.

It's "blood pressurist", not racist.

 

[SWP's back]

The season really can’t come soon enough can it.

 

[west didsblue]

It's "blood pressurist", not racist.

In fact you could say it is offensive to xenophobes so it’s xenophobist.