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Mr Kobayashi said:
Have you had any dealings with the companies that have the outsourced contract (or their subcontractors) or spoken to someone who has?

For the most part they aren't really coaches, they're salespeople. They are there to pressure sell and bully or manipulate the long term unemployed into getting off the caseload and just getting any old job. That doesn't mean people should just waste away on universal credit for the rest of their lives.

They should do the minimum to satisfy the DWP and get away with it and the maximum they can do for their own employment goals and aspirations. By doing the latter they are more likely to get stable employment and stay out of the revolving door of insecure employment and job centre plus.

What's the advice for someone who is struggling on 16hrs a week? Try and stand out positively in your company (or organisation) and apply for another role or go somewhere else. Maybe there's personal circumstances why someone hasn't already done that rather than being a lazy waster.
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With all due respect, the part about Work Coaches is mostly bollocks.
To be honest, we aren't "sales people" at all...we are social workers, if anything.

Try and deal with mental health issues, domestic violence victims, modern slavery, sex trafficking, anger management issues, newly released prisoners, neurodiversity, homelessness, drug and alcohol issues, threats of suicide etc etc etc.
All in one day. And I'm not exaggerating either

And most on the "front line" of dealing with that do a great job
 
mackenzie said:
With all due respect, the part about Work Coaches is mostly bollocks.
To be honest, we aren't "sales people" at all...we are social workers, if anything.

Try and deal with mental health issues, domestic violence victims, modern slavery, sex trafficking, anger management issues, newly released prisoners, neurodiversity, homelessness, drug and alcohol issues, threats of suicide etc etc etc.
All in one day. And I'm not exaggerating either

And most on the "front line" of dealing with that do a great job
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I wasn't talking about DWP staff so it's not bollocks at all you've simply got the wrong end of the stick.

When it said they would be given additional coaching I didn't read it as they would be given additional appointments with DWP staff. My interpretation of that was that it would be something similar to the restart programme. My understanding is that DWP staff don't deliver training or coaching and it's all outsourced.

You can correct me if that's a misunderstanding on my part but whilst I might expect you to know more about it than me I wouldn't expect you to know all the details when it was only confirmed in the last week.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
I wasn't talking about DWP staff so it's not bollocks at all you've simply got the wrong end of the stick.

When it said they would be given additional coaching I didn't read it as they would be given additional appointments with DWP staff. My interpretation of that was that it would be something similar to the restart programme. My understanding is that DWP staff don't deliver training or coaching and it's all outsourced.

You can correct me if that's a misunderstanding on my part but whilst I might expect you to know more about it than me I wouldn't expect you to know all the details when it was only confirmed in the last week.
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Mr Kobayashi said:
I wasn't talking about DWP staff so it's not bollocks at all you've simply got the wrong end of the stick.

When it said they would be given additional coaching I didn't read it as they would be given additional appointments with DWP staff. My interpretation of that was that it would be something similar to the restart programme. My understanding is that DWP staff don't deliver training or coaching and it's all outsourced.

You can correct me if that's a misunderstanding on my part but whilst I might expect you to know more about it than me I wouldn't expect you to know all the details when it was only confirmed in the last week.
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DWP Work Coaches are quite capable of dealing with many things. Particularly when it comes to the 6 point plan where people are threatening to kill themselves. Only recently we had to call an ambulance. Not the best thing any of us have had to witness, and even worse for the poor soul concerned.
We are not monsters and we do our best
But yes, I agree with the outsource thing so forgive me if I misread that.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:

More black people will be allowed into Britain if we leave the EU and immigration will become a 'non-issue', says Nigel Farage​


Redirect Notice

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Isn't more black African immigrants coming to the UK something you voted for?

How come it's now racist to treat these as baby factories?
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I don’t see the Tommy reference. He clearly doesn’t have the charisma that Yaxley has.
 
Monaco resident thinks Tories have been in power for 20 years unhappy with Brexit blames it on migrants and ploughs on with stereotypes - anyone aware who "designed" the country?

 
bluethrunthru said:
Monaco resident thinks Tories have been in power for 20 years unhappy with Brexit blames it on migrants and ploughs on with stereotypes - anyone aware who "designed" the country?

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Why pay any attention to the ramblings of a bloke that thinks the Tories have been in power for 15-20 years? He doesn't know because he's immune from most of the consequences of their policies.
 
How can he (or anyone else) know what every person who voted for Brexit wanted?

There is a tendency among Brexit types to think their idealised (and often wholly impracticable) version of Brexit was what 'everyone' wanted. It's specious bollocks.

It's rather going to Santa as a kid and expecting to get your own, ideal, red racing car as a random present. And thinking that all the other kids wanted that too.
 
looking forward to Toryboy in his dotage sat in his piss stained pants waiting for Waynetta Slob to put her fag out and change his nappies and give him some Angel Delight for his tea

 
mexico1970 said:
You're asking me the same question, there should be a plan we are agreed on that. The laziness and stupidity of some people equating people showing concern over too much immigration with marching on Poland is spectacularly stupid.

That isn't a dig at you BTW, it's a dig at the idiots who invoke wee Tommy as some sort of weapon against people who don't agree with their views.

I am however yet to hear a benefit we would get from just allowing anyone in other than getting anal wipes deployed or the best coffee in town.
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Are you saying all immigrants are thick and/or unskilled?
 
stonerblue said:
I would allow anyone in to work. What you term 'menial tasks' are jobs.
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I don't term these jobs menial, the people who want their coffee served or their backsides wiped on the cheap decide that.

People aren't just coming here just to work either are they? At a push visas and then enforce the visas if people overstay, would you agree with that?
 
mexico1970 said:
I don't term these jobs menial, the people who want their coffee served or their backsides wiped on the cheap decide that.

People aren't just coming here just to work either are they? At a push visas and then enforce the visas if people overstay, would you agree with that?
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You do, and have on several occasions.
What are they coming for then, to doss on the dole and live off the state?
 
mexico1970 said:
I don't term these jobs menial, the people who want their coffee served or their backsides wiped on the cheap decide that.

People aren't just coming here just to work either are they? At a push visas and then enforce the visas if people overstay, would you agree with that?
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If they are coming for work and don't already have residence or citizenship rights (e.g. dual nationality or spousal visa) then they'll be on work permits.

On someone's work permit and identity cards it says what work they can and cannot do.

Where do you think work permits are being abused?
 
bluethrunthru said:
another announcement just for the sake of saying something

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"Do your bit for the Brits! Farmers need you to keep the economy moving by picking fruit. Whilst care homes needs you to wipe Doris's bottom. Prove your patriotism by working in a sweatshop for one of our conservative donors and feel a sense of pride in making the Great in Great Britain!"
 
You can work in a fast food restaurant for minimum wage or wipe arses for another 50p per hour.

What do you think most people would do?
 
TinFoilHat said:
"Do your bit for the Brits! Farmers need you to keep the economy moving by picking fruit. Whilst care homes needs you to wipe Doris's bottom. Prove your patriotism by working in a sweatshop for one of our conservative donors and feel a sense of pride in making the Great in Great Britain!"
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and do it all from the NHS waiting list you are on and if you live in Cumbria then the orchard of England (Kent) is a short daily commute away ( Note must be done in an EV coz if you all do it in your diesel car we have no chance of hitting net zero targets )
 
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