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bluethrunthru said:
They are all heart

www.mirror.co.uk

Tory council chief sparks outrage with 'poor people' steak dinner joke

Norfolk County Council leader Kay Mason Billig has defended the Facebook post - in which she took a picture of a tomahawk steak - claiming it was a "private joke"
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sorry for being found out

www.bbc.co.uk

Norfolk council leader sorry over 'poor people' Facebook post

Kay Mason Billig says her Facebook post showing a steak and wine dinner was "a private joke".
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Let them eat chateaubriand.
 
Oh dear - I'd consider it better if you presented the proof that backs up your idea not run a "vibes based" Party

 
Sir Grant Shapps was interviewed today on radio. The presenter could barely hide his disdain for him. I assume he’ll stick to Shapps now he’s got his gong.
 
Circumstances change. It is only relatively recently that Putin's full ruthlessness has become apparent. In addition, we now have an unstable and unreliable ally in the USA.

It is now clearly necessary to increase defence spending. As it is for all of Western Europe. But we ought not, should not, just spend money on defence to show how big and hard we are. It should be for the security of the UK and its allies, and that requirement will vary with circumstances.
 
bluethrunthru said:
"I don't agree with the facts when I am told them" ......... thats where they are now

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She was on Sky News this morning and I just couldn’t face even more bullshit about how we should be spending more and more of the budget on things that her party, and her personally, decimated.

When these fuckers come on, I turn off.
 
Don Karleone said:



Ah shit, that's where disabled people are going wrong! Get into the HOL and get paid £300 plus daily expenses.


I feel like such a fool.
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The worst thing is that the benefit system for disabilities is conned by lots of work shy people, i know loads but it's the innocent people living with disabilities who end up getting shit on whenever the clampdowns happen.
The cunts conning the system seem to find ways around any clampdowns
 
Don Karleone said:



Ah shit, that's where disabled people are going wrong! Get into the HOL and get paid £300 plus daily expenses.


I feel like such a fool.
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Being a bit disingenuous waving his prosthetics around. My understanding is he uses very very expensive privately purchased ones because the NHS ones offer nowhere near the level of function. I think he also uses his connections and status to work with companies to trial the latest innovations. I don't blame him for doing any of that for himself and you wouldn't wish what happened to him on anyone. What it does mean though is that he knows full well that's not what is available on the NHS because he actively campaigns to improve provision after his own experience of the apparatus and provision lead times being inadequate. What happened to him was awful but the reality is he's in a very privileged position relative to most others so to use himself as an exempler whilst leaving out critical context just undermines any credibility.
 
threespires said:
Being a bit disingenuous waving his prosthetics around. My understanding is he uses very very expensive privately purchased ones because the NHS ones offer nowhere near the level of function. I think he also uses his connections and status to work with companies to trial the latest innovations. I don't blame him for doing any of that for himself and you wouldn't wish what happened to him on anyone. What it does mean though is that he knows full well that's not what is available on the NHS because he actively campaigns to improve provision after his own experience of the apparatus and provision lead times being inadequate. What happened to him was awful but the reality is he's in a very privileged position relative to most others so to use himself as an exempler whilst leaving out critical context just undermines any credibility.
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A very privileged quadruple amputee? What an utterly perverse argument.
 
BobKowalski said:
It would have been, however that was not what was said and you know it.
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The argument presented was a completely mangled interpretation of what Mackinlay said in his interview, if you can be bothered to watch it, which it appears you haven’t.

Mackinlay quite rightly questions whether there’s something unique to the UK which leads to such a high proportion of the working age population claiming some form of disability benefit, and then highlights his own situation to demonstrate how disabled people can still work. Even if he does have better prosthetics than other quadruple amputees, the effort required to lead any sort of normal life after what’s happened to the bloke is still formidable.

I very much doubt that Mackinlay’s comments around the veracity of some disability benefit claims are aimed at other quadruple amputees. So to say that he’s ‘being a disingenuous waving his prosthetics around’ is a really daft, shit thing to say. I doubt any rational person would argue that Mackinlay is in a very privileged position relative to the majority of those who claim disability benefit in the UK.
 
Brewster's millions said:
The argument presented was a completely mangled interpretation of what Mackinlay said in his interview, if you can be bothered to watch it, which it appears you haven’t.

Mackinlay quite rightly questions whether there’s something unique to the UK which leads to such a high proportion of the working age population claiming some form of disability benefit, and then highlights his own situation to demonstrate how disabled people can still work. Even if he does have better prosthetics than other quadruple amputees, the effort required to lead any sort of normal life after what’s happened to the bloke is still formidable.

I very much doubt that Mackinlay’s comments around the veracity of some disability benefit claims are aimed at other quadruple amputees. So to say that he’s ‘being a disingenuous waving his prosthetics around’ is a really daft, shit thing to say. I doubt any rational person would argue that Mackinlay is in a very privileged position relative to the majority of those who claim disability benefit in the UK.
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You misrepresented the posters words and used that misrepresentation to attack the poster. I called you out on it.

If you want to debate what the poster actually said, or the interview with Mackinlay then fine, knock yourself out.

Personally, anyone saying ‘…for Heaven’s sake Britain, get off your backside’ thereby inferring everyone in the country on disability benefits is a work shy, malingering deadbeat has already lost the argument. Appearing with JHB is another red flag.
 
BobKowalski said:
You misrepresented the posters words and used that misrepresentation to attack the poster. I called you out on it.

If you want to debate what the poster actually said, or the interview with Mackinlay then fine, knock yourself out.

Personally, anyone saying ‘…for Heaven’s sake Britain, get off your backside’ thereby inferring everyone in the country on disability benefits is a work shy, malingering deadbeat has already lost the argument. Appearing with JHB is another red flag.
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Right yeah.

Presumably you think that describing Mackinlay as ‘waving his prosthetics around’ is fine as well. Or it could potentially be alright, I suppose, if they’ve been provided by the NHS. Which we don’t actually have any idea about.

It’s a solid argument, really is.
 
Brewster's millions said:
The argument presented was a completely mangled interpretation of what Mackinlay said in his interview, if you can be bothered to watch it, which it appears you haven’t.

Mackinlay quite rightly questions whether there’s something unique to the UK which leads to such a high proportion of the working age population claiming some form of disability benefit, and then highlights his own situation to demonstrate how disabled people can still work. Even if he does have better prosthetics than other quadruple amputees, the effort required to lead any sort of normal life after what’s happened to the bloke is still formidable.

I very much doubt that Mackinlay’s comments around the veracity of some disability benefit claims are aimed at other quadruple amputees. So to say that he’s ‘being a disingenuous waving his prosthetics around’ is a really daft, shit thing to say. I doubt any rational person would argue that Mackinlay is in a very privileged position relative to the majority of those who claim disability benefit in the UK.
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My point was he’s taking a massively reductive approach when he knows from personal experience that things are very rarely as simple as he was portraying them (and that includes the fact that someone in a position of financial security and privilege is fundamentally in a different position to others whether they have a similar or different disability). He’s smart enough to know that, but he chooses to contribute to the dumbing down of the debate setting people against each other in a way that we seem to continually want to do in this country.

As a simple example any conversation about disability benefits in this country that compares them to other countries needs to caveat the different ways they are measured and delivered compared to our peers which in turn distorts how much of an outlier we are or are not. In percentage terms we track closer to some of the Nordic countries who coincidentally recognise mental health and chronic illnesses in the same way we now do. But again, it’s simpler to go with the sound bite and claim we’re a massive outlier.

I think we have got some issues related to the welfare system in this country and I do actually think some of them are relatively unique to our society but we need to have a sensible conversation and people in the house of lords should be contributing to that, not raising the temperature with simplistic nonsense.

As for how perverse my comments were, there’s loads of writing about the intersection of disability with economic, social and political capital and structures so I’m hardly saying something that isn’t discussed as an integral part of disability ethics. I also expressed sympathy with the approach he has taken at a personal level and did not suggest he shouldn't have. As for my comment re. 'waving his prosthetics' that was literally what he was doing.
 
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