The Death Penalty.

I take your point Lunar....but what if the family of the deceased felt cheated because they considered that the person who was ultimately responsible for their loved ones death was not accorded the same penalty as those who deliberately killed? A pissed up driver for example does not go out to kill deliberatley but many a time it ends up with an innocent family dead in a car.

All I am saying is that whoever brings in Capital Punishment will need to draw a line....and I think THAT will always be the obstacle to its reintroduction.
 
You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

More prisons and more violence when they get out. Cut murderers balls off for a kick off.
 
mackenzie said:
I take your point Lunar....but what if the family of the deceased felt cheated because they considered that the person who was ultimately responsible for their loved ones death was not accorded the same penalty as those who deliberately killed? A pissed up driver for example does not go out to kill deliberatley but many a time it ends up with an innocent family dead in a car.

All I am saying is that whoever brings in Capital Punishment will need to draw a line....and I think THAT will always be the obstacle to its reintroduction.
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mackenzie, theres no danger of them ever reintroducing the death penalty. I always get pissed off with this manslaughter law. If some arsehole smacks someone who subsequently cracks their head off the pavement and dies then its not murder, cause he didnt really mean it? I find it hard to come to terms with that law. Going off topic a wee bit I know but its not realistic to even consider capital punishment in this country now.
 
citybhoy said:
mackenzie said:
I take your point Lunar....but what if the family of the deceased felt cheated because they considered that the person who was ultimately responsible for their loved ones death was not accorded the same penalty as those who deliberately killed? A pissed up driver for example does not go out to kill deliberatley but many a time it ends up with an innocent family dead in a car.

All I am saying is that whoever brings in Capital Punishment will need to draw a line....and I think THAT will always be the obstacle to its reintroduction.
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mackenzie, theres no danger of them ever reintroducing the death penalty. I always get pissed off with this manslaughter law. If some arsehole smacks someone who subsequently cracks their head off the pavement and dies then its not murder, cause he didnt really mean it? I find it hard to come to terms with that law. Going off topic a wee bit I know but its not realistic to even consider capital punishment in this country now.
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So if someone starts on you and then you fight back and they die through what you have said above?

Are you a murderer?
 
BTâ„¢ said:
citybhoy said:
mackenzie said:
I take your point Lunar....but what if the family of the deceased felt cheated because they considered that the person who was ultimately responsible for their loved ones death was not accorded the same penalty as those who deliberately killed? A pissed up driver for example does not go out to kill deliberatley but many a time it ends up with an innocent family dead in a car.

All I am saying is that whoever brings in Capital Punishment will need to draw a line....and I think THAT will always be the obstacle to its reintroduction.
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mackenzie, theres no danger of them ever reintroducing the death penalty. I always get pissed off with this manslaughter law. If some arsehole smacks someone who subsequently cracks their head off the pavement and dies then its not murder, cause he didnt really mean it? I find it hard to come to terms with that law. Going off topic a wee bit I know but its not realistic to even consider capital punishment in this country now.
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So if someone starts on you and then you fight back and they die through what you have said above?

Are you a murderer?
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As I said before its well complicated, as your point proves. Getting back to the original point I dont ever see the death penalty back, I would like to see sentences for anyone carrying blades and I'd like to see the manslaughter/murder sentence given more serious consideration.
 
There can't just a be a judicial change but a cultural one. Knife crimes don't make the nightly news in the US. Perhaps individual shootings in the US won't make the news soon as the spate of killing sprees rise. In the Guardian today, there's an article that says in Iran 9 people will be stoned to death for adultery and assorted sexual crimes, 8 women and one man.

Capital punishment is not the answer for ''civilised'' societies.
 
I dont know if you were being serious GStar but bringing back the stock sounds like a great idea! i'd take days off work just to go and torture little bastard scrotes with my rancid socks.

Sell all the LCD tv's and playstations in prisons and use the money to build more capacity. if I ruled the world our prisons would not resemble hotels with bars on the windows.

No to state sanctioned execution btw. This is the 21st century, welcome.
 
Question: If the person who murdered the victim was given the death penalty in a court case and then the executer was ordered to see to it they were killed, does that make them any better than the aforementioned murderer or does it make them an imposer of justice?
 
C_T_I_D said:
Question: If the person who murdered the victim was given the death penalty in a court case and then the executer was ordered to see to it they were killed, does that make them any better than the aforementioned murderer or does it make them an imposer of justice?
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Yes?


Imposer of Justice sounds good.

As you meet the queen..."and what do you do young man"
"i am the IMPOSER of JUSTICE"
"very good,carry on,oh look my pants appear to have fallen off"

Someone employed to be an executioner be it a bloody big axe or a needle is only doing a job.A muderer(apart from contract killers) are not doing a job.
 
Newlunar said:
Ally.P said:
kronkonite said:
Death Penalty doesn't work -look at America
a murder for a murder is wrong
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My sentiments exactly.
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Would you still feel that way if it was one of your loved ones that had been murdered?
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I sincereley hope so. I would prefer a life (and i mean life) of discomfort and hard labour (no soft beds and tv's etc).

Seeing as the bible says Do not Kill I would prefer that to be the case for everyone in society. A murder for a murder doesnt therefore make sense to me.
 
Trust you two to say that!

I just think it is a measure worth taking if the following occurs:

- Senior citizens can walk freely amongst the streets without fear of being attacked, weapon or no weapon.

- Females can walk the streets without fear of being attacked, sexually or otherwise.

- Those who dress differently can walk the streets without fear of being singled out for being 'different'.

Yes, these things will still happen, but if the threat of the death penalty is ressurected then I believe wholeheartedly that this shall act as a detterant.

The loop hole being that it could be seen as legal suicide should someone wish to end their life.
 
C_T_I_D said:
Yes, these things will still happen, but if the threat of the death penalty is ressurected then I believe wholeheartedly that this shall act as a detterant.
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I still question how much of a deterrent it actually is. Generally people don't plan to get caught for what they've done, so I don't see how they can be scared of a possible punishment. Their plan doesn't involve being punished.
 
Their plan is not to get caught otherwise they would not do it.

However, I am proposing that this should be one of the punishments available to the court should they deem the guilty party worthy of such a punishment.

I also think it may be a deterrent in terms of 'oh god, if I get caught for this, I'm brown bread' though. It'd certainly concern me.
 
If you can prove beyond reasonable doubt, for a cold callous pre-meditated killing, then the death penalty should be used!
For manslaughter, no! as these are usually not pre-meditated!
Forensic Science has developed so much in recent years the chances of a mistake are few as to years ago when innocent people were put to death for crimes they did not commit!
 
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