The English Pirlo. That man from Hastings

The reason I dont rate him is because he is so poor. He will have 1 good game and then be shit for the next 5 games. There is games were you look at him and you expect him to boss the game and he gets over ran and out played. Slow as fuck and if we want to go to very top we need better than Barry. Yes he looked good against Swansea but when the big games come he is one of those players I would rather not see in our team. I will eat my hat if he starts ahead of either De Jong or Yaya if we sign Nasri.
Also if we were to get rid of him I cant see him getting into the team of other top 4 teams or Liverpool and Spurs. Just one of those players that will split most fans views in my opinion the sooner we get rid of him the better.
 
Classic case of a previously underrated player being overrated by those who noticed he was underrated. If that makes any sense.
 
leighton said:
The reason I dont rate him is because he is so poor. He will have 1 good game and then be shit for the next 5 games. There is games were you look at him and you expect him to boss the game and he gets over ran and out played. Slow as fuck and if we want to go to very top we need better than Barry. Yes he looked good against Swansea but when the big games come he is one of those players I would rather not see in our team. I will eat my hat if he starts ahead of either De Jong or Yaya if we sign Nasri.
Also if we were to get rid of him I cant see him getting into the team of other top 4 teams or Liverpool and Spurs. Just one of those players that will split most fans views in my opinion the sooner we get rid of him the better.
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Face-meltingly poor opinion.

"When the big games come he is one of those players I would rather not see..."

Remember Chelsea at home? How about the semi-final? Watch them again, and revise your statement accordingly.
 
Barry's role in the side cannot be understated. His ball retention and positioning is second to none in our squad. When we have the ball on the wing, there is always one man on the edge of their box ready to collect it via the short pass, and play someone in in a better position. No, he doesn't have blistering pace. But his intelligence means he doesn't need it. He was never intended to be a goalscorer anyway. And if we didn't have him in the team, we would be A LOT more susceptible to the counter attack.
 
Pirlo's been an instrumental player in winning 2 Champions League and 1 World Cup.

City need another central midfielder if they want to win the Champions League. Barry will simply not cut it in the latter stages of the Champions League. City need Sneijder.
 
If Barry gets dropped and De Jong still stays in the team, I will be astonished.

Without Barry we struggle, as shown in recent games.

This video sums up the difference between Barry and De Jong:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highlights/Manchester-City-4-Swansea-0-extended-highlights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highl ... highlights</a>

Watch from 4.50 ish as Swansea just dispossess Silva and break.

Notice which player (out of Barry and De Jong) is further forward then watch as one of them is bypassed and saunters back with no urgency whatsoever as the other busts with every sinew in his body in an attempt to stop Swansea.

De Jong makes Hollywood tackles.

Barry does 5x that.
 
leighton said:
The reason I dont rate him is because he is so poor. He will have 1 good game and then be shit for the next 5 games. There is games were you look at him and you expect him to boss the game and he gets over ran and out played. Slow as fuck and if we want to go to very top we need better than Barry. Yes he looked good against Swansea but when the big games come he is one of those players I would rather not see in our team. I will eat my hat if he starts ahead of either De Jong or Yaya if we sign Nasri.
Also if we were to get rid of him I cant see him getting into the team of other top 4 teams or Liverpool and Spurs. Just one of those players that will split most fans views in my opinion the sooner we get rid of him the better.
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Everyone has a player you have an irrational dislike for, my Dad didn't rate Shay Given.
 
kennycar said:
leighton said:
The reason I dont rate him is because he is so poor. He will have 1 good game and then be shit for the next 5 games. There is games were you look at him and you expect him to boss the game and he gets over ran and out played. Slow as fuck and if we want to go to very top we need better than Barry. Yes he looked good against Swansea but when the big games come he is one of those players I would rather not see in our team. I will eat my hat if he starts ahead of either De Jong or Yaya if we sign Nasri.
Also if we were to get rid of him I cant see him getting into the team of other top 4 teams or Liverpool and Spurs. Just one of those players that will split most fans views in my opinion the sooner we get rid of him the better.
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Everyone has a player you have an irrational dislike for, my Dad didn't rate Shay Given.
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Is your dad Mancini?
With regards Barry. I think he is a good squad player. To win competitions like the CL you need a player on the next level. In my opinion, Barry will do a job for us this season, but i think Mancini will be looking for a new star for Barry's role next season.
 
Damocles said:
It's simple.

Most football fans in England require their midfielders to use constant vertical passing as they have grown up around a direct style of play. If they aren't constantly passing forward, or breaking legs in tackles, they cannot understand what their job on the pitch is thus conclude that they are shit. Carrick has the same problem at United yet both these guys are England regulars in Champions League teams and paid £100k+ a week.
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I........agree.

Well said.
 
Sabster said:
If Barry gets dropped and De Jong still stays in the team, I will be astonished.

Without Barry we struggle, as shown in recent games.

This video sums up the difference between Barry and De Jong:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highlights/Manchester-City-4-Swansea-0-extended-highlights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highl ... highlights</a>

Watch from 4.50 ish as Swansea just dispossess Silva and break.

Notice which player (out of Barry and De Jong) is further forward then watch as one of them is bypassed and saunters back with no urgency whatsoever as the other busts with every sinew in his body in an attempt to stop Swansea.

De Jong makes Hollywood tackles.

Barry does 5x that.
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Woah woah hold your horses mate.

I'm a huge Barry fan, but are you saying Barry's better than De Jong??
 
Young said:
Sabster said:
If Barry gets dropped and De Jong still stays in the team, I will be astonished.

Without Barry we struggle, as shown in recent games.

This video sums up the difference between Barry and De Jong:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highlights/Manchester-City-4-Swansea-0-extended-highlights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highl ... highlights</a>

Watch from 4.50 ish as Swansea just dispossess Silva and break.

Notice which player (out of Barry and De Jong) is further forward then watch as one of them is bypassed and saunters back with no urgency whatsoever as the other busts with every sinew in his body in an attempt to stop Swansea.

De Jong makes Hollywood tackles.

Barry does 5x that.
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Woah woah hold your horses mate.

I'm a huge Barry fan, but are you saying Barry's better than De Jong??
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Yes
 
Wreckless Alec said:
Of course it could. He's just not spectacular. Exactly the sort of player every club needs to support the superstars. I suspect most of those who don't appreciate him have never played the game.
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This has been my point since he came, WA. He does what he does, and in a substantial number of games it has been invaluable. I can still see the CFC full back, was it Ivanisovic (sic) gettin' Barry's shoulder - an old fashioned shoulder charge with the full weight of 14-odd stones behind it. Nobody else can do the job Barry does, and because it is not spectacular the 'cognoscenti' don't see it.
 
Young said:
Sabster said:
If Barry gets dropped and De Jong still stays in the team, I will be astonished.

Without Barry we struggle, as shown in recent games.

This video sums up the difference between Barry and De Jong:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highlights/Manchester-City-4-Swansea-0-extended-highlights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highl ... highlights</a>

Watch from 4.50 ish as Swansea just dispossess Silva and break.

Notice which player (out of Barry and De Jong) is further forward then watch as one of them is bypassed and saunters back with no urgency whatsoever as the other busts with every sinew in his body in an attempt to stop Swansea.

De Jong makes Hollywood tackles.

Barry does 5x that.
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Woah woah hold your horses mate.

I'm a huge Barry fan, but are you saying Barry's better than De Jong??
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I kind of agree with him, but maybe not with tackles but Barry can offer us more than De Jong can. he got great passes, can go forward and assist + score goals.

I am still big De Jong fan though.
 
Akai said:
Young said:
Sabster said:
If Barry gets dropped and De Jong still stays in the team, I will be astonished.

Without Barry we struggle, as shown in recent games.

This video sums up the difference between Barry and De Jong:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highlights/Manchester-City-4-Swansea-0-extended-highlights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highl ... highlights</a>

Watch from 4.50 ish as Swansea just dispossess Silva and break.

Notice which player (out of Barry and De Jong) is further forward then watch as one of them is bypassed and saunters back with no urgency whatsoever as the other busts with every sinew in his body in an attempt to stop Swansea.

De Jong makes Hollywood tackles.

Barry does 5x that.
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Woah woah hold your horses mate.

I'm a huge Barry fan, but are you saying Barry's better than De Jong??
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I kind of agree with him, but maybe not with tackles but Barry can offer us more than De Jong can. he got great passes, can go forward and assist + score goals.

I am still big De Jong fan though.
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The stats dont lie from last season, Barry completed more tackles and won the ball more
 
PowderBlue said:
good post OP - yes it probably is the case taht he lacks outright pace but pace itself in football doesnt come from being able to run fast, it comes from pass and move in a forward direction. Rags (last year) generally were the paciest team in the prem, with perhaps the only other challenger being spuds, but it is more about their direct one touch game. Barry can run fast enough if the game is played right, and his game is all about knittiing it all together (which adds to our pace) and slowing down the opposition.
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This is the key phrase! Nicely put. He's our Water Carrier? Or was it the Piano Carrier? Or summink..........
BTW, this is about the 500th thread dedicated to GB. No player in the squad produces such mixed opinion.
 
I agree that the longevity of this thread reflects the diversity of opinion on Barry.

Gareth Barry serves as a reflection of Mancini's strategy as he has built a formidable team. Do we recall Mancini's first game as manager, at home to Stoke in December 2009? It was a workmanlike, professional performance that we won 2-0. No threats, no frills, just 3 points banked. What was very evident, however, was the remarkable improvement in the solidity and calm of the defence that Mancini had instilled within just 7 days of his arrival. Barry, and De Jong, played a major role in this as they protected their back four.

As the media and the armchairs were screaming about lack of attacking ambition last season, what they failed to mention was our excellent defence and number of clean sheets. And how we would invariably win a game in the midfield. Barry was a mainstay during last season. There is no coincidence that De Jong was left chasing shadows through most of the Community Shield until Barry came on. They are a unit.

Mancini is now confident with his defence and has allowed the attack to be far more probing. This season we will concede just as few goals, and score more. Mancini quietly and methodically has laid the foundations in the form of our keeper, back 4, and 2 holding midfielders. Quiet and methodical. Just like Gareth Barry.

He is a key player for City. Period.
 
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