Prestwich_Blue
Well-Known Member
Interesting points. There have been occasions before when one or other party looked doomed (Tories when they lost under Major and Labour after 1979) but they both found a way back.mcfc1632 said:Blue Maverick said:So Labour as a party is now dead as they have lost the Scottish vote, so for the foreseeable future there will only be one party winning general elections!! Can they bring the Scottish border down just past manchester as let's face it a England = London and fuck all else. Bye bye public sector hello privitisation.
Actually, this is a big issue - this result could mean the end of the Labour party in any known form. How will it get back into power now - they may just decline away.
They are unlikely to get back into Scotland - how could they? And how are they going to appeal to the majority of English voters over the next 10 years? A lurch to the 'real left' maybe what British politics needs but do that and they will likely only become increasingly marginalised.
History may demonstrate that last night was a major shift in British politics in the same way you can point to previous major parties that faded away. I absolutely do not mean this to be a casual point - I feel that there needs to be a credible left of centre balance - but I am thinking that for Labour to get back they will have to lurch like Blair did and abandon their traditional values.
The loser finally gets an electable leader and the other side get complacent and the unelectable party is back in play. The opportunity from the Labour point of view is Scotland and if Scottish voters feel that the SNP is never going to deliver any real change then they could be persuaded to go back to Labour, in order to form a government or simply as an anti-Tory vote.
If Labour could pick up 40 seats in Scotland then they'd only need another 30 or so in the rest of the UK to be the majority party. However it does look like a decent overall majority is beyond them for the foreseeable future.