The General Election Thread

[mcfc1632]

An extra 8bn being pumped into it, four times what the socialists pledged.

In politics a 'pledge' is not a promise. As I said a few weeks ago, if the Cons are going to put in £8 billion, they haven't said at what point that will start to happen and from where they will get that money.

The Cons have less than a 1% swing against Labour, that's about 17 seats, so they didn't do that great against their main rivals. People rejected the Libs and, obviously, the SNP came into play to work against Labour.

What that means is Labour are alive and kicking. A new radiant leader will give them all they need in England, without reliance on Scottish influence.

Really? The Jocks decided the majority of what happened last night and the public have spoken

People are saying that you cant blame Ed, I disagree, its akin to Tommy Cooper passing me his material, I'd die flat on my arse! It's about policies and pledges for sure but the key is the delivery and having credibility

They fucked up big time as we all know when they let David move to the Big Apple and this is not an overnight fix

A gamble that looks to have failed miserably

Ed Milligan was no where near on track to become Labour leader until the real puppet masters decided he was the most malleable tool.

Labour did not 'let' David M go - their bosses chose. It was a simple question of ".......he who pays the piper......."

The control of Labour by the Unions has not been commented upon much in this election - but it is likely the reason that Labour will never come back.

The days that such extreme left-wing doctrine and Union manipulation can be dressed up to be attractive to an increasingly independent and free-thinking public are gone forever.

 

[st. blue]

Yep, the tory scum won fair and square. It`s up to us workers, to stand up to the attacks on the NHS and other frontline services that the less fortunate people of our country need and rely on. The move to the right will be coming quickly. Immigrants, NHS, Disabled and mental heath sufferers and organised workers in Trade Unions, will all be targeted again. To the lib dems who supported this shower in the coalition, just fuck off and die.

Tory scum??

Fuck off and die??

Wonder how many of the people who voted Tory are workers? I would suggest a huge percentage.

Agreed. I'm a full time 'mature' student, also working 30 hours per week. The Mrs works 40 per week and studies part time.
Both voted Tory, seen my income tax contributions almost completely disappear last few years, putting more money in our pockets.
Yet labour are seen as the saviours of the workers.

 

[Damocles]

I thought it was cute.

Grrrr. Go on you workers. You tell them. Grrrr.

He's one of those UAF far left nutters. Bit of a loon to be honest.

I thought you were the leftist person on the forum? May I ask what is your genuine reaction to the result apart from shock, are you angry, apathetic?

My dad has just been on the phone and called me a judas Tory and put the phone down on me.

I probably am politically but he's one of those "crusading" types he thinks he's saving the world.

My reaction to the result outside of shock is one of excitement. This entire narrative of "good guys vs bad guys" is unbelievably stupid and I've never suggest that the Tories would be anything but good leaders. I said earlier in the thread that the Tories represent economic stability whilst Labour represented public good - the recovery from the economic crisis isn't over but I felt it was now at a point where we were stable enough to pay our debts responsibly whilst looking after the poorest around us. The electorate obviously didn't agree that we were stable enough and voted the Tories in to continue their economic recovery or to stop the SNP going into Government.

The excitement is for 2 reasons - firstly the state of politics in the country has just changed entirely with the resignation and results so there's much fun speculation to come. The bigger excitement for me though is to do with the polling (because I'm nothing if not a maths geek). Many people believe polls to be shite but they really aren't; the idea that statistical sampling doesn't work is somewhat ridiculous and nobody can possibly live their lives based on this. But the results speak for themselves. There's a thing about this "shy voter like in 1992" that people don't really understand - in 1992 the state of British polling was unbelievably poor and the polls were wrong because the polls were badly designed claptrap rather than people didn't want to say they were voting Tory. This election though was very different - every polling agency in the world got this wrong and are now covering themselves as best they can. The polls were reflective, the weighting was unbiased and sensible and the sampling was significant. The idea that people won't admit in advance to voting Tories but then come out and admit in an exit poll to voting Tory doesn't make any sense logically. What this means is that something went wrong, and nobody yet knows what that is so the investigation and post-mortem will be an exciting time.

In terms of the state of the country - personally me and my family will be fine and my business isn't one that will change in any way no matter who is in charge (unless they cut off the internet or absolutely destroy the pound). The other businesses I'm involved in are doing fine and can't imagine that anything will change in that regards. Socially I'm worried about what this means for the NHS but again the narrative of the Tories as these great big evil people coming to snatch away the NHS from the desperate serfs is a fabrication, people don't tend to be James Bond villains, only their presentation in the media is.

The European question is obviously quite important to me and there's a fight to come on that.

 

[The Batman]

Tories in , means I'm fucked.
Most of the people that I spoke to only voted to stop ed from getting in , shame really.

 

[Damocles]

Official - a Conservative majority win

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

FINALLY, Tories win, majority government, who'd have thunk it?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

pleb

 

[inbetween]

Yep, the tory scum won fair and square. It`s up to us workers, to stand up to the attacks on the NHS and other frontline services that the less fortunate people of our country need and rely on. The move to the right will be coming quickly. Immigrants, NHS, Disabled and mental heath sufferers and organised workers in Trade Unions, will all be targeted again. To the lib dems who supported this shower in the coalition, just fuck off and die.

Tory scum??

Fuck off and die??

Wonder how many of the people who voted Tory are workers? I would suggest a huge percentage.

Agreed. I'm a full time 'mature' student, also working 30 hours per week. The Mrs works 40 per week and studies part time.
Both voted Tory, seen my income tax contributions almost completely disappear last few years, putting more money in our pockets.
Yet labour are seen as the saviours of the workers.

I think the same, just finished postgraduate part time studies funded by a scheme setup by the Tories and otherwise my industry is booming, my job is safe etc. My Mrs has gone from minimum wage to assistant manager in 2 years. We are now in a great position but we are only average, we don't earn a great deal but we take care of ourselves and don't need to rely on anyone else. It was impossible us to consider voting any other way.

 

[SWP's back]

Tories in , means I'm fucked.
Most of the people that I spoke to only voted to stop ed from getting in , shame really.

Why are you fucked?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

He's one of those UAF far left nutters. Bit of a loon to be honest.

I thought you were the leftist person on the forum? May I ask what is your genuine reaction to the result apart from shock, are you angry, apathetic?

My dad has just been on the phone and called me a judas Tory and put the phone down on me.

I probably am politically but he's one of those "crusading" types he thinks he's saving the world.

My reaction to the result outside of shock is one of excitement. This entire narrative of "good guys vs bad guys" is unbelievably stupid and I've never suggest that the Tories would be anything but good leaders. I said earlier in the thread that the Tories represent economic stability whilst Labour represented public good - the recovery from the economic crisis isn't over but I felt it was now at a point where we were stable enough to pay our debts responsibly whilst looking after the poorest around us. The electorate obviously didn't agree that we were stable enough and voted the Tories in to continue their economic recovery or to stop the SNP going into Government.

The excitement is for 2 reasons - firstly the state of politics in the country has just changed entirely with the resignation and results so there's much fun speculation to come. The bigger excitement for me though is to do with the polling (because I'm nothing if not a maths geek). Many people believe polls to be shite but they really aren't; the idea that statistical sampling doesn't work is somewhat ridiculous and nobody can possibly live their lives based on this. But the results speak for themselves. There's a thing about this "shy voter like in 1992" that people don't really understand - in 1992 the state of British polling was unbelievably poor and the polls were wrong because the polls were badly designed claptrap rather than people didn't want to say they were voting Tory. This election though was very different - every polling agency in the world got this wrong and are now covering themselves as best they can. The polls were reflective, the weighting was unbiased and sensible and the sampling was significant. The idea that people won't admit in advance to voting Tories but then come out and admit in an exit poll to voting Tory doesn't make any sense logically. What this means is that something went wrong, and nobody yet knows what that is so the investigation and post-mortem will be an exciting time.

In terms of the state of the country - personally me and my family will be fine and my business isn't one that will change in any way no matter who is in charge (unless they cut off the internet or absolutely destroy the pound). The other businesses I'm involved in are doing fine and can't imagine that anything will change in that regards. Socially I'm worried about what this means for the NHS but again the narrative of the Tories as these great big evil people coming to snatch away the NHS from the desperate serfs is a fabrication, people don't tend to be James Bond villains, only their presentation in the media is.

The European question is obviously quite important to me and there's a fight to come on that.

How does the popular vote compare to the polls? I don't see it being that wrong. For me it's the conversion of popular vote to seats where the error lies.