The idiocy (and selfishness) of panic buying

oldius said:
The environment for that panic buying has been created by people's selfishness, granted, the media bigging up the issue for profit, granted, but also the fact that there are shortages in many areas.
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Certainly now there is. I do a lot of driving and hadn't seen a petrol station closed anywhere until yesterday. :-(
 
oldius said:
I was talking about supermarket stuff really.
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Yep the weird one was bog roll something that's large and bulky that supermarkets for obvious space concerns don't keep a lot of in store. Suddenly media story of shortage and the cock wombles are walking out of the supermarkets with a trolley load, frenzy over has anyone noticed a toilet roll shortage makes you wonder don't it. Radio early this morning had the Turkey farmer going on Turkey shortage at Christmas, the interviewer had the audacity to ask how many, " er I don't know" makes me wonder if they haven't got loads left over frozen ones from last year to shift. Must be the skeptic in me.
 
Blue Mist said:
I see the Remoaners have hijacked another thread. There is a politics section for you all to gather round and moan to each other how it is not fair and the big bad man made us leave.
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If Brexit is something political then it has to do with the friction generated by two inherently right-wing political philosophies.

On the one hand there is neoliberalism, the dominant macroeconomic philosophy of the last 30 years, which favours deregulation, privatisation, and the free movement of labour across national borders to where there is a demand for it as an expression of a truly free market.

Rubbing up against that, you have the nationalism that often accompanies right-wing thinking which has racism and a suspicion of migrants as its accompanying Jungian shadow side.

So perhaps it is, in fact, posters like yourself that might need to take off to the politics section to have a reactionary, schizophrenic debate with yourself.
 
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ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
If Brexit is something political then it has to do with the friction generated by two inherently right-wing political philosophies.

On the one hand there is neoliberalism, the dominant macroeconomic philosophy of the last 30 years, which favours deregulation, privatisation, and the free movement of labour across national borders to where there is a demand for it as an expression of a truly free market.

Rubbing up against that, you have the nationalism that often accompanies right-wing thinking which has racism and a suspicion of migrants as it’s accompanying Jungian shadow side.

So perhaps it is, in fact, posters like yourself that might need to take off to the politics section to have a reactionary, schizophrenic debate with yourself.
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I like that because you at least nod towards the complexity of the situation. Sadly for some they see everything through the brexit' lens and it just gets tedious. Have a look at the EU thread - sometimes it's literally just one or two posters high-fiving themselves for pages on end. There is no discussion /debate. No problem with that being their 'safe space', but misty has a point about it bleeding into other threads.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Paying good wages and decent working conditions would be a start, but this is something most haulage companies have skimped on for decades.
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Totally. Haulagers have have been happy to pay drivers of killing machines peanuts to work long hours and not paying for them to stay in proper lorry parks , making the drivers park up in lay by’s, pissing in bottles and shitting behind trees and no showers whilst away.
not surprising no ones going into the industry
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The root of the problem is shit pay and shit conditions coupled with the fact there is a substantial personal investment to even get qualified.

I honestly don't know why anyone would look at HGV driving as a career choice these days.
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Whilst I'd agree to a certain extent I do have to point out that HGV driving is a pretty broad church with regard the types of role you can get involved in.

It's an honest way to make an above average annual wage (even before the panic of a shortage) and if you get into something more specialised the conditions can drastically improve.

I'd rather do what I do than sit answering customer service complaints, work in a warehouse/factory or labour on a wet building site all day. All of which are, for many the type of jobs you just fall into in order to pay bills etc.
 
marcus said:
Totally. Haulagers have have been happy to pay drivers of killing machines peanuts to work long hours and not paying for them to stay in proper lorry parks , making the drivers park up in lay by’s, pissing in bottles and shitting behind trees and no showers whilst away.
not surprising no ones going into the industry
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Haulage is a cut throat business.
They cannot afford to throw better wages and conditions at drivers.
This isn't because they are evil employers. It the simple fact they wouldn't be in business for long.

What is needed is better regulations in pay and working conditions. This would allow the better employers a chance of improving things.

As for HGV drivers moaning about the lack of showers. Most i have met wouldn't know what a bar of soap or a shower was if you threw one at them!
 
marcus said:
Totally. Haulagers have have been happy to pay drivers of killing machines peanuts to work long hours and not paying for them to stay in proper lorry parks , making the drivers park up in lay by’s, pissing in bottles and shitting behind trees and no showers whilst away.
not surprising no ones going into the industry
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Been doing it since 2007 and the only drivers that piss in bottles or shit behind trees are the ones that want to piss in bottles and shit behind trees.

The majority of Hauliers provide decent, modern vehicles to those that are willing to tramp that are equipped with fridge and microwave. Some have depots all over the country where you can park safely, get a shower, food and even gym.

If an individual chooses to work for an arsehole that's going to pressure you to into what you've wrote then a proportion of the blame lies with that individual.

However, I'd agree about the paying peanuts bit. Most companies that do general haulage have had poor pay and long hours for years. But you don't have to stay in general haulage. There are many other sectors within haulage where the pay is decent and the hours are more balanced.
 
RACHACE said:
Whilst I'd agree to a certain extent I do have to point out that HGV driving is a pretty broad church with regard the types of role you can get involved in.

It's an honest way to make an above average annual wage (even before the panic of a shortage) and if you get into something more specialised the conditions can drastically improve.

I'd rather do what I do than sit answering customer service complaints, work in a warehouse/factory or labour on a wet building site all day. All of which are, for many the type of jobs you just fall into in order to pay bills etc.
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It was rather a sweeping statement, and I know there are some good jobs out there, but I do think the industry as a whole is undervalued.

Great job for someone who's just come out of the military already qualified with ADR/Forklift/HIAB and a wealth of experience of driving in the UK and abroad. They could walk into any job, and if they'd done a pensionable engagement (22 Years), then they'd be well sorted and probably better off than when they were in the military.

Conversely, starting from scratch would be a nightmare. There is no way I would even consider it as a youngster starting out now.
 
Can we go back to bashing the selfish tossers filling up Jerry cans rather than Leave v Remain?

There's plenty of fuel available, if people just bought what they actually need then there would be no issue.

The media have driven this fuck up through hysteric reporting last week.
 
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BlueMoonday said:
Can we go back to bashing the selfish tossers filling up Jerry cans rather than Leave v Remain?

There's plenty of fuel available, if people just bought what they actually need then there would be no issue.

The media have driven this fuck up through hysteric reporting last week.
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No sensible posts on here please if you want to do that there is a Transfer Forum.

But yes, totally agree. This thread is about selfish tossers. 5 BP petrol stations closed because they ran out due to a driver shortage. 5 in the whole if the UK. The media whipped up a storm and stupid idiots panicked.
 
Blue Mist said:
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No sensible posts on here please if you want to do that there is a Transfer Forum.

But yes, totally agree. This thread is about selfish tossers. 5 BP petrol stations closed because they ran out due to a driver shortage. 5 in the whole if the UK. The media whipped up a storm and stupid idiots panicked.
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It's done as intended though petrol prices have risen when in theory they should have fallen job done yet again. :-(
 
RACHACE said:
Been doing it since 2007 and the only drivers that piss in bottles or shit behind trees are the ones that want to piss in bottles and shit behind trees.

The majority of Hauliers provide decent, modern vehicles to those that are willing to tramp that are equipped with fridge and microwave. Some have depots all over the country where you can park safely, get a shower, food and even gym.

If an individual chooses to work for an arsehole that's going to pressure you to into what you've wrote then a proportion of the blame lies with that individual.

However, I'd agree about the paying peanuts bit. Most companies that do general haulage have had poor pay and long hours for years. But you don't have to stay in general haulage. There are many other sectors within haulage where the pay is decent and the hours are more balanced.
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Spoken like a true misanthrope. No one wants to piss in bottles and shit behind trees, for Christ's sake. I suppose they eat babies too, eh?
 
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