The Independent Group

happyman said:
What irks me is that they are just straight out forming a party just to stop Brexit, that'll have a backlash and I am not sure what that will entail.
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There is a political vacuum caused by the fact that anyone who is opposed to brexit is currently homeless politically - ignoring the Lib Dems as a credible political force. And nature abhors a vacuum.

There are undoubtedly differences between those who have left labour and those who have left the tories, but I think the differences are not as extreme as the differences between the right and left wings of both labour and the conservatives. I see little difference between a party that contains a range of opinion from Dominic Grieve to William rees Mogg, and one that contains a range of opinion from Anna Soubry to Bill Cash, and I see much less of an issue with Anna Soubry making common cause with Chukka Umuna than I do with Jeremy Corbyn making common cause with William Rees Mogg.
 
bluethrunthru said:
It is but over 60% of the voting population told politicians we are happy with the status quo. If a 52 - 48 split is the irreversible will of the people what do you think they make of a 63 - 37 split?
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perhaps the common denominator is that both were presented as binary choices when neither in fact was?
 
Chris in London said:
There is a political vacuum caused by the fact that anyone who is opposed to brexit is currently homeless politically - ignoring the Lib Dems as a credible political force. And nature abhors a vacuum.

There are undoubtedly differences between those who have left labour and those who have left the tories, but I think the differences are not as extreme as the differences between the right and left wings of both labour and the conservatives. I see little difference between a party that contains a range of opinion from Dominic Grieve to William rees Mogg, and one that contains a range of opinion from Anna Soubry to Bill Cash, and I see much less of an issue with Anna Soubry making common cause with Chukka Umuna than I do with Jeremy Corbyn making common cause with William Rees Mogg.
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That'd be an interesting one though wouldn't it?

However political vacuums exist in every vote we have, there are voters who don't get what they want and the referendum is one of those votes. Having a bunch of remain MP's waffle on about Corbyn and his Jew hating cronies at this specific time coinciding with the big March 29th date is disgraceful, they could have done this at any time.
Centrist party yes, populism will breed a counter party and this country will be more split than ever.
 
bluethrunthru said:
It is but over 60% of the voting population told politicians we are happy with the status quo. If a 52 - 48 split is the irreversible will of the people what do you think they make of a 63 - 37 split?
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Maybe all the old people who voted for the status quo are now dead?

It’s easy this shit.
 
Chris in London said:
When I have encountered anti-Semitism amongst left-wing people it has largely been a product of ignorant people holding a general (and permissible) disapproval of Israel and its policies as regards Palestine in particular, and lurching from that to a wider (and impermissible) opinion that jewish people and the Israeli government are interchangeable and that valid criticism of one is morally equivalent to invalid criticisms of the other.
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How does one seperate the actions of your country from the responsibilities of its citizens?
It isn't "anti-semetic" to critisise a country for the treatment of its Neighbours, nor should it be judged so and neither should that state use that term and its implications for it's own advantage.

Perhaps if those citizens were to stand up their neighbours, others wouldn't have to and we wouldn't be where we are.

Racism in any form is depicable, but being a minority doesn't excuse you from behaving properly. If anything, it compels you to behave better and above all others, least who are they to judge?
 
happyman said:
That'd be an interesting one though wouldn't it?

However political vacuums exist in every vote we have, there are voters who don't get what they want and the referendum is one of those votes. Having a bunch of remain MP's waffle on about Corbyn and his Jew hating cronies at this specific time coinciding with the big March 29th date is disgraceful, they could have done this at any time.
Centrist party yes, populism will breed a counter party and this country will be more split than ever.
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A far right party will never get anywhere in this country, a centrist one has a chance.
 
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