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The IRA
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gordondaviesmoustache
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BigTony said:BigTony says as Ireland is still occupied because of how britain behaved in the past, its human nature that people will rebel, is it any wonder people rebelled after this happened.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY0sgIbSBwA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY0sgIbSBwA</a>
Anyway, i'm off.
good luck lads.
On 13th April BigTony (or should it be 'MassiveTony?) said:
"Does anyone think we might get outsung by the rags?
I'm 50/50 on it to be honest, hard to say who'll be the laudest if say the game is a draw!"
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Why should anyone believe a word you say on anything if you can't be straight about what you really are ?
Josh Blue
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Ducado said:You can talk about the IRA without talking about the History of Ireland
You are again making moral equivalents, you are saying because of something we did in Ireland many years ago, it's perfectly acceptable to blow up innocent women and children.
I am of Jewish stock, should I go around blowing up parts of German Cities, because they murdered millions of my kin?
To be fair Israel is ruling with a reign of terror due to their disgusting treatment at the hands of Nazi Germany and racist europe.
SWP's back
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BigTony said:BigTony says as Ireland is still occupied because of how britain behaved in the past, its human nature that people will rebel, is it any wonder people rebelled after this happened.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY0sgIbSBwA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY0sgIbSBwA</a>
Anyway, i'm off.
good luck lads.
But it's not is it. The prods growing up there have had roots there going back several generations and the land is as much theirs as it is anyone's. It's a global fuxking society and people need to get over racial and religious bigotry and stop being cunts.
Blowing up innocents, women and children is not to ever be respected am sometimes I wish there was a god so the Provo cunts would actually go to hell. Not just them but their counterparts on the other side of the divide.
The IRA didn't continue the fight for ideology but to act as an Irish mafia running drugs, weapons and protection rackets from the 90s on. Fuck em.
mammutly
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It seems to me that a number of people think the suffering and horror of war is a one sided affair. Innocent men, women and children die in wars, through bombings, shootings, and in some cases bloody, targeted brutality. The troubles were no different.
If an Irish child was killed by a British bullet were they any less of a victim than a British child killed by an IRA bomb? And don't say, the RUC and the army never deliberately targeted civilians because that is a ridiculously naive position that show's complete ignorance of the reality of the conflict in Ireland.
One poster has asked for clarification of why I would say the IRA deserved respect as a fighting force. I have already posted the link to the British goverment sponsored enquiry into the military operation in Ireland which concluded that PIRA were a "resilient, effective and determined force".
More than 150 IRA volunteers were killed on active service during the troubles, many more were arrested, tortured and imprisoned - so I think portraying them as cowards is much more a value judgement than a realistic opinion.
The fact is that that the IRA operated under the most intense state security regime ever established in Europe with constant multi level surveillance, routine arrest and interrogation proceedures, and a pretty much shoot on site policy for known suspects. Despite this they continued an effective guerrilla war against majority military, security force and political targets. They also acquired weapons, orchestrated high security prison escapes and, thanks largely to the continued brutality of the RUC and the British Army, built up widespread community support.
The suggestion made by another poster that the IRA declared a ceasefire from the brink of defeat is not supported by any of the available evidence.
If an Irish child was killed by a British bullet were they any less of a victim than a British child killed by an IRA bomb? And don't say, the RUC and the army never deliberately targeted civilians because that is a ridiculously naive position that show's complete ignorance of the reality of the conflict in Ireland.
One poster has asked for clarification of why I would say the IRA deserved respect as a fighting force. I have already posted the link to the British goverment sponsored enquiry into the military operation in Ireland which concluded that PIRA were a "resilient, effective and determined force".
More than 150 IRA volunteers were killed on active service during the troubles, many more were arrested, tortured and imprisoned - so I think portraying them as cowards is much more a value judgement than a realistic opinion.
The fact is that that the IRA operated under the most intense state security regime ever established in Europe with constant multi level surveillance, routine arrest and interrogation proceedures, and a pretty much shoot on site policy for known suspects. Despite this they continued an effective guerrilla war against majority military, security force and political targets. They also acquired weapons, orchestrated high security prison escapes and, thanks largely to the continued brutality of the RUC and the British Army, built up widespread community support.
The suggestion made by another poster that the IRA declared a ceasefire from the brink of defeat is not supported by any of the available evidence.
bluemanc said:Quick question,why are the people you support still killing Irish people,seriously why don't you care.Mike N said:Quick question; why do most of the people on this thread not care what happened in Ireland to thousands and thousands, over hundreds of years, at the hands of the British?
You shouldn't presume to know what I think especially as you are wrong.
I despise the IRA and hope they all end up in hell.
My point was based on comments regarding innocents being killed by cowards. This was happening for centuries before the 70's and 80's. Odd that you dont care about those poor sods.
Lucky13
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mammutly said:It seems to me that a number of people think the suffering and horror of war is a one sided affair. Innocent men, women and children die in wars, through bombings, shootings, and in some cases bloody, targeted brutality. The troubles were no different.
If an Irish child was killed by a British bullet were they any less of a victim than a British child killed by an IRA bomb? And don't say, the RUC and the army never deliberately targeted civilians because that is a ridiculously naive position that show's complete ignorance of the reality of the conflict in Ireland.
One poster has asked for clarification of why I would say the IRA deserved respect as a fighting force. I have already posted the link to the British goverment sponsored enquiry into the military operation in Ireland which concluded that PIRA were a "resilient, effective and determined force".
More than 150 IRA volunteers were killed on active service during the troubles, many more were arrested, tortured and imprisoned - so I think portraying them as cowards is much more a value judgement than a realistic opinion.
The fact is that that the IRA operated under the most intense state security regime ever established in Europe with constant multi level surveillance, routine arrest and interrogation proceedures, and a pretty much shoot on site policy for known suspects. Despite this they continued an effective guerrilla war against majority military, security force and political targets. They also acquired weapons, orchestrated high security prison escapes and, thanks largely to the continued brutality of the RUC and the British Army, built up widespread community support.
The suggestion made by another poster that the IRA declared a ceasefire from the brink of defeat is not supported by any of the available evidence.
Why didn't you fall on your sword?
talkativesprout
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Satire.....
Black fella. I been thinkin
Anotha black fella. wot bout
Black fella. deez white dudes been treetin uz real bad
Anutha black fella. yea man but thingsa changin
Black fella. I dont care, 200 year ago they acted like dey own de place, im gonna blow up some families.
Wouldn't happen
Black fella. I been thinkin
Anotha black fella. wot bout
Black fella. deez white dudes been treetin uz real bad
Anutha black fella. yea man but thingsa changin
Black fella. I dont care, 200 year ago they acted like dey own de place, im gonna blow up some families.
Wouldn't happen
johnmc
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talkativesprout said:Satire.....
Black fella. I been thinkin
Anotha black fella. wot bout
Black fella. deez white dudes been treetin uz real bad
Anutha black fella. yea man but thingsa changin
Black fella. I dont care, 200 year ago they acted like dey own de place, im gonna blow up some families.
Wouldn't happen
And isn't relevant
talkativesprout
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In what respect ? you mean the irish freedom fighters had less restrictions ?johnmc said:talkativesprout said:Satire.....
Black fella. I been thinkin
Anotha black fella. wot bout
Black fella. deez white dudes been treetin uz real bad
Anutha black fella. yea man but thingsa changin
Black fella. I dont care, 200 year ago they acted like dey own de place, im gonna blow up some families.
Wouldn't happen
And isn't relevant