The Labour Government

hilts said:
There will be people of all persuasions who think what they think, let's take it away from reform and politics for a second as there is an obsession with them on here.

I was talking to a Newcastle fan on Fruday, like the guy always chat to Newcastle with him. Anyhow I said don't sell Izak to Liverpool please with a smile on my face, he then goes on about the big boys closed shop, how city helped create it.
When he mentioned the premier league are in cahoots with us and are just awaiting a bigger blown envelope i tried to explain to him the stupidity in his reasoning.

I mentioned how before newcaste got taken over he was of the opinion City shouldn't be able to spend big because of the owners. He now thinks it unfair they can't

I told him about the red tops, he just shrugged

I said Newcastle voted for PSR, nothing.

I said you think the premier league and city had a plan that we would take years and both would spend a fortune just for us to secretly give them money,? Why?

I mentioned the letter from the other clubs, the directors meeting of Liverpool United and arsenal.

After all this he just said It's all corrupt ie city, I was getting pretty fucking annoyed here because I've always made an effort with him and he never mentions us winning or congratulates us on a trophy.

It's a shame because away from footy he's sound but now im at the point where i think he's just a fucking biased dick who chooses to believe anything that suits.

I'm afraid that's human beings and I think there are plenty on here who are like that from all.politucal persuasions. I think frustration because someone won't see a point of view is rife on here. Anyhow this topic has run its course.

I hope Newcastle get relegated :-)
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has he got a massive gut with NUFC tatt on it? Chip eating cunts
 
Starmer and European leaders to join Zelenskyy in the US.

Would Farage would be doing this ?

Such a shame very few appreciate the efforts we are making for Ukraines fight against Russia and at long last having a statesman PM.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
Starmer and European leaders to join Zelenskyy in the US.

Would Farage would be doing this ?

Such a shame very few appreciate the efforts we are making for Ukraines fight against Russia and at long last having a statesman PM.
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Farage would be on Trump’s side of the table helping him berate Zelenskyy.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Starmer and European leaders to join Zelenskyy in the US.

Would Farage would be doing this ?

Such a shame very few appreciate the efforts we are making for Ukraines fight against Russia and at long last having a statesman PM.
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Both our govts have in fairness, unfortunately due to the twat that is Trump I feel things are about to come to a head, i hope the UK and Europe hold firm.
 
west didsblue said:
Farage would be on Trump’s side of the table helping him berate Zelenskyy.
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He'd be a complete rabbit in headlights, fought his whole career against the EU and wouldn't have a clue where to stand when it comes to summits on European security, embarrassing thought.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Starmer and European leaders to join Zelenskyy in the US.

Would Farage would be doing this ?

Such a shame very few appreciate the efforts we are making for Ukraines fight against Russia and at long last having a statesman PM.
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BlueHammer85 said:
We are powerless to stop Israel pretty much especially as they are being protected by Trumps America.
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If you removed your head from Starmer's arse you may might even spot the hypocrisy in this 'great statesman' nonsense.

 
It was basically the tories or labour, who’s views on immigration are pretty much the same. There was not really a fully fledged alternative at the time.
 
Postman Pep said:
If you removed your head from Starmer's arse you may might even spot the hypocrisy in this 'great statesman' nonsense.

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Don’t you think it’s a bit disingenuous of Staniforth posting a clip of Starmer’s speech on Gaza that he made just 3 weeks after 7 October, and not mentioning that fact. Sort of infers Starmer’s position hasn’t evolved with time, but the hatred of Starmer by the far right is only matched by the hatred from the far left so I guess it’s par for the course.
 
west didsblue said:
Don’t you think it’s a bit disingenuous of Staniforth posting a clip of Starmer’s speech on Gaza that he made just 3 weeks after 7 October, and not mentioning that fact. Sort of infers Starmer’s position hasn’t evolved with time, but the hatred of Starmer by the far right is only matched by the hatred from the far left so I guess it’s par for the course.
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I gave up a long time ago. There are many posters on here who don’t care for the truth and will post stuff for effect. Reality and context doesn’t matter, as long as they spread their hatred to further destabilise the country.

Back in the day it was called subversion, and we expected it from the likes of the USSR. Now we get it from our own.
 
west didsblue said:
Don’t you think it’s a bit disingenuous of Staniforth posting a clip of Starmer’s speech on Gaza that he made just 3 weeks after 7 October, and not mentioning that fact. Sort of infers Starmer’s position hasn’t evolved with time, but the hatred of Starmer by the far right is only matched by the hatred from the far left so I guess it’s par for the course.
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Maybe - but has Starmer actually said anything different since, or is he still condemning Russia's attacks on civilians in Ukraine as war crimes while being reluctant to say that levelling Gaza is also a war crime?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I gave up a long time ago. There are many posters on here who don’t care for the truth and will post stuff for effect. Reality and context doesn’t matter, as long as they spread their hatred to further destabilise the country.

Back in the day it was called subversion, and we expected it from the likes of the USSR. Now we get it from our own.
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100% this. It renders proper debate pointless. It’s just people shouting emotions and posting their “truths”.
 
Vic said:
Maybe - but has Starmer actually said anything different since, or is he still condemning Russia's attacks on civilians in Ukraine as war crimes while being reluctant to say that levelling Gaza is also a war crime?
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No idea but if he hasn’t, maybe Staniforth should have used a more contemporary clip.
 
I see another body that gets some privileges on taxation cries foul when they face probable tax hikes. I am sure an industry that is almost 100% cash ( on course betting ) don't want tax raised to align with on-line ( electronic based gambling ) - who the fuck do they think they are? Turkish barbers shops?

Oh and if you strike the period in which you strike represents a loss or production is lost - you make 10 widgets a day - strike for 2 days - 20 widgets are lost. Deferring and re-scheduling your activity is not striking.

www.bbc.co.uk

Horse races cancelled in protest against proposed betting tax rise

The British Horseracing Authority cancels all races on 10 September in protest against the Government's proposed tax rise on horserace betting.
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meltonblue said:
No it wasn’t, it was a response to how a party will govern based on their councillors, I wonder if that’s why I didn’t make my point clear enough to you.

I made the same point about the governance of the council as a whole and my whole initial point was to question their councillors that have been elected - if seasoned councillors of any political persuasion with significant experience are clearly struggling, how is voting in people with no experience at all be of benefit? I could elaborate far further on that with how reform councillors are doing so far but the whole point was to ask people to do it themselves.

My underlying point to that and subsequent posts was if they can’t even put up candidates that know the daily running of a local council, how are they going to put up quality candidates capable of running a government? Not even that, they couldn’t even keep five MPs in line.

And it had nothing to do with Farage being PM, I didn’t mention the leadership at all. It’s entirely about competence in the party itself. Personally, although the political landscape has changed ridiculously recently and how most view it has become polticial in itself, I don’t. I’ve known brilliant councillors of every political persuasion. I can’t say that yet about reform and that’s why I said to keep an eye on them. If anyone’s been properly doing that so far, then it does not look good whatsoever.

Hopefully that explains my position more, but less of the last comment please, I think and hope I’ve always been courteous with you when I’ve not even disagreed with you but just pointed out you’ve been incorrect, I’d hope with opinions that could be extended further as I’ll always welcome a difference when it comes to that and respect that and why I felt the need to respond to your comment further.
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It is clearer now, appreciate you taking the time to re-explain, and apologies if I offended, wasn’t my intent. You make a valid point on inexperience, you’ve only got to look at how Labour fared with inexperience in actually governing - I doubt it’s a point that will damaged their election chances.
 
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