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Guaranteed. Saw an interview with one that had just cone out who said it was his first conviction. The guy in the studio did a quick Google and found he'd been done 11 times and the one he'd been released for was for gbh on a stranger who refused to give him a fag so he beat the shit out of him and got 4 years, just let out after 14 mths. What purpose do scrotes like that serve society.
To claim pension credit when he's 67 or whatever it will be then? He certainly won't be paying any NI contributions or tax so won't be entitled to a contribution based state pension.
 
Trouble is, prison has largely given up on rehabilitation, so most of them turn up again, whether they are released sooner or later. Like most other things, our probation system and much of our prison estate has been hived off to private companies. State sanctioned punishment and or rehab services should be run by the state and not for profit.


Society cannot get its collective head around the fact that we have lots and lots of absolute cunts living with us cheek by jowl, it only becomes a problem when we don't have anywhere to put them.

In many cases when they are "Fixing" people the people they are fixing are fucking society over. We need places to put them, we need to accept that there will always be people like them but we also need ways to spot the redeemable people caught in the trap.

Dangerous people should never be allowed to see the light of day though.
 
Whilst you’re correct, we do have a massive prison population compared to our closest European neighbours.
Even if we locked people up at the same rate as France, we’d have 10,000 fewer prisoners. If we did it at the same rate as Finland, we’d have 50,000 fewer prisoners.
Estimated cost for a prisoner is £52,000 means we are spending over £4B a year on keeping people in the nick. We must be able to spend a lot of that money better, surely?
Sadly, many will never be rehabilitated even if we had a decent program in place but who cost the taxpayer a fortune and then you have people like Ian Huntly who shouldn't even be alive but that's another argument.
 
Yet a lot of Europeans are getting bigger state pensions, damn them all for dying younger than us.

What they don't? Really? How did they pull off this amazing magic trick?

Transport is also better? And lots of other things? Fuck off. Smoke and mirrors..

I'm not having it, the only way to save this country is to off some old folks, even some claimed Labour voters of old can see it.
Perhaps you missed my post on Sunday.

Classic avoidance of a serious problem. "When the old age pension was first introduced there were twenty people working for every pensioner. In a few years, there will be only two people working to pay your pension. So pick your two carefully." Or from the EU's Ageing Report: "The old-age dependency ratio is the ratio of the old-age population to the working-age population. This ratio gives an idea about the relative shift between potential retirees and potential workers and thus of how an ageing population alters the balance between beneficiaries and contributors. From about 29% in 2010 in the EU, it rose to 36% in 2022 and would rise further to 59% in 2070, with most of the increase expected already by 2045. Put differently, the EU would go from having nearly thirty people aged 20 to 64 for every ten people aged over 65 years in 2022, to having less than twenty people by 2045."

As for the NHS, it's because of the NHS that people are living so long.

I've said before that pensioner poverty needs dealing with (including anyone who loses wfp but doesn't qualify for pension credit), but most pensioners are not poor. Average pensioner family income is £700 a week (‘pensioner family’ is either a single pensioner or a couple (married or living together) that includes at least one pensioner).

Obviously, some don't want to discuss this.

Obviously.
 
Assume you have been fulminating on the closure of public buildings over the last 14 years? Over 4000 public buildings being sold off every year, with a massive amount more requiring renewal or repair. Over 4000 public buildings still contain asbestos..

All that being said, what is a shame is that we can’t just agree to try to support the poor somewhat better, whoever they are and stop protecting our own interests all the time.
For example, what you won’t often have noticed, is older people protesting about cuts that affect children, such as sure start, or universal credit having to £20 uplift being taken away, or bemoaning the fact that students are paying an extra 9% on their income tax, just to owe more and more on their student loans every year.

Of course, we could all ask why Shell, Equinor, Exxon and BP are making £65B in net profits a year between them (a weeks worth would be enough to restore the WFA) and could they perhaps behave a little differently?
Nice whataboutary.
I voted for this lot. I seriously wish I hadn't.
Very much a case of careful what you wish for.
 
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Sadly, many will never be rehabilitated even if we had a decent program in place but who cost the taxpayer a fortune and then you have people like Ian Huntly who shouldn't even be alive but that's another argument.
Levi bellend , that **** who murdered little April rose west the list is endless these fuckers should just be disposed off
 
Yep - the thing is though can you image the vitriol of the usual suspects if the Tories had done this?
Yet a Labour government does it and with the odd exception - support for Reeves!
Incredible.
Not just WFA now though - it's now looking like single pensioner Council Tax relief and free travel passes on top.
So you will now only have the option of freezing in your home without the option of traveling to public buildings to keep warm.
Lovely - a pogrom on older folks couldn't be designed better.
And as you say, some of the Labour lefties on here are actively supporting it and justifying it. If the Tories had done this they would be going mental. They should be ashamed of themselves.
How to get rid of the pensioner problem? Easy... Kill them.
 

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