The Labour Government

[bluenova]

BTW, would you care to explain why it would never work? On face value, you would think that the prospect of being sent to Rwanda rather than being allowed to wait in the UK, would be quite a deterrent.

Similar worked very well in Australia and interesting that Germany are also considering this plan "that would never work".

Germany aren't considering the same plan. There was talk of Germany processing offshore, but successful asylum seekers would still go to Germany, which would be legal. It's also something that Labour have said they'd consider.

The Rwanda plan, even over the full five years of the trial, was expected to take just a few thousand (and potentially just 1000), so most refugees would still stay in the UK. Less a deterrent and more another small risk, alongside all the other risks people take to get to the UK.

Israel had a similar (but not the same) arrangement with Rwanda a few years ago. They sent a few thousand refugees, but very few actually stayed in the country. Almost none could be tracked down in Rwanda, but a lot were found in Europe. Remember, that once you get refugee status, there may be restrictions on travel, but you're not a prisoner. If they wanted to come to the UK, they'd almost certainly try again.

 

[Quad]

indeed, scrapping Rwandan plan will save millions, Recouping lost billions in dodgy covid contracts and PPE, Tougher fines for Water Companies that the Tories allowed to pollute our rivers and seas - all being done but will take time. they will implement further policies and tax rises for sure also.

How would labour have dealt with ppe and Covid ?

It’s fine though we will put working age illegal immigrants in nice warm comfortable rooms with nice hot meals

Labour don’t give a toss about the working person just like torires don’t

 

[Chippy_boy]

this WAS doing nothing !! They only sent 4 volunteers to Rwanda - £318 million is the cost of doing nothing.

We were about to start, weren't we. Only your lot stopped it. Perhaps you missed that part.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Anyway, this is a distraction from Labour's SHAMEFUL taking £300 off some of the poorest people in the country, in favour of giving many thousands of pounds to people who are much better off, a majority of whom just happen to vote Labour.

This is a cynical and absolutely appalling thing to do. It's indefensible. Shame on anyone who tries to defend it.

 

[metalblue]

Germany aren't considering the same plan. There was talk of Germany processing offshore, but successful asylum seekers would still go to Germany, which would be legal. It's also something that Labour have said they'd consider.

The Rwanda plan, even over the full five years of the trial, was expected to take just a few thousand (and potentially just 1000), so most refugees would still stay in the UK. Less a deterrent and more another small risk, alongside all the other risks people take to get to the UK.

Israel had a similar (but not the same) arrangement with Rwanda a few years ago. They sent a few thousand refugees, but very few actually stayed in the country. Almost none could be tracked down in Rwanda, but a lot were found in Europe. Remember, that once you get refugee status, there may be restrictions on travel, but you're not a prisoner. If they wanted to come to the UK, they'd almost certainly try again.

I’ve not looked at the German plan but what would they do with unsuccessful applicants processed in Rwanda? Leave them there would be my guess.

So you might be forgiven for thinking it’s the “same arse, different cheek” if UK policy was to process in UK and transport failed asylum seekers to Rwanda rather than the German policy of transporting them to Rwanda for processing and leave the failed asylum seekers there.

 

[mexico1970]

Conveniently ignoring my point.

She won't reach pension age.

I haven't ignored any point, this is about pensioners.

 

[bluenova]

I’ve not looked at the German plan but what would they do with unsuccessful applicants processed in Rwanda? Leave them there would be my guess.

So you might be forgiven for thinking it’s the “same arse, different cheek” if UK policy was to process in UK and transport failed asylum seekers to Rwanda rather than the German policy of transporting them to Rwanda for processing and leave the failed asylum seekers there.

As far as I can see, there was no plan. Someone suggested it, and it was dismissed by more senior people in the German government.

It's also very, very different.

Legally, you're allowed to deport failed asylum seekers, and those that fail in the UK, would also be deported. I'd guess the thinking behind offshore processing, is that they don't disappear into the illegal economy while waiting in the UK, and if their application fails, then they are probably more easily deported to their home country, or perhaps somewhere else. It's probably worth bearing in mind that most asylum claims are successful.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Reeves looks ill

She really does. Only been in the job a couple of months as well.

Looks like Steve Coppell did before he left us.

 

[kaz7]

I know. Very touchy these days aren’t they?

Bored with you two repeating yourselves

 

[mosssideblue]

We were about to start, weren't we. Only your lot stopped it. Perhaps you missed that part.

Like your missing the part that for every one we send there is a reciprocal agreement that we take one from Rwanda