The Labour Government

[hilts]

No, but it is not unreasonable to point out why is giving a pensioner on £19k a year a £200 bung at Xmas okay, but we can’t afford to pay carers an allowance (to use the earlier example).

Perhaps pensioners who do not need the £200 bung could opt out and help out those less fortunate?

Personally I would have bunged that money as part of the state pension and just left it, then concentrated on keeping fuel bills down. Whatever we do/did do with WFA it ain't solving shit I'm afraid.

It was handled badly and thats me being diplomatic about some posters who change their idea of 'fair' depending on what U Turns Keir does in any given week.

I even warned people not to go balls in with the let's not trap the disabled bollocks just yet.

 

[Don Karleone]

They're so shit at this.

 

[Vic]

With collective responsibility comes collective back tracking.

Free thinkers need not apply.

So we get a major rebellion from the major force for collective responsibility - the party whip - and you come up with that nonsense.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

There’s so many u-turns I’m not sure if they’re now going in the same direction they started with, or the complete opposite, or something in between.
Whatever Starmer is, a leader he is not.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Labour Ministers have been mis-selling a Policy - Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is not an out-of-work benefit. PIP is designed to help with the extra costs associated with a long-term health condition or disability, regardless of whether the individual is working. It is not means-tested, meaning that income and savings do not affect eligibility or the amount received. So the idea removing it from some people to get them into work is nonsense. Starmer and his team have played a shit game for about 10 months now.

 

[hilts]

Labour Ministers have been mis-selling a Policy - Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is not an out-of-work benefit. PIP is designed to help with the extra costs associated with a long-term health condition or disability, regardless of whether the individual is working. It is not means-tested, meaning that income and savings do not affect eligibility or the amount received. So the idea removing it from some people to get them into work is nonsense. Starmer and his team have played a shit game for about 10 months now.

I've literally just fallen off my chair

 

[metalblue]

I've literally just fallen off my chair

Same mate. He’s actually dug out Labour? Someone’s hacked his account

 

[BigJoe#1]

Not doing too well right now is our resident toolmakers son?

 

[BigJoe#1]

Same mate. He’s actually dug out Labour? Someone’s hacked his account

finally dawning on some....?

 

[Hertzblue]

I've literally just fallen off my chair

FFS.

Now I can't claim that the grooming gang enquiry U turnis the only thing he hasn't supported Starmer on.

He has done it to spite me.

 

[Hertzblue]

Whatever the right and wrongs of the Welfare bill, the mess they have made puts Reeves in an even worse position than she was in already.
Aside from the additional pressure to raise taxes in the Autumn, she is going to need to placate the markets who must surely despair of a government that cannot shave even £5 billion off the burgeoning welfare bill.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Complete shit show now this government, it’s clear they need to raise one of the big 4 taxes but won’t because of their promises. The numbers just won’t add up unless they do, especially with the increase in defence spending.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

They're so shit at this.

“Keir Starmer has caved to welfare rebels and agreed existing disability claimants will **keep** their benefits.

Huge concession. Agreed in talks with Labour rebel leaders today.

Under original plan, 800,000 people who currently get the Personal Independence Payment would have lost out.

I understand Starmer has agreed that new claimants will be unaffected. Only new people getting PIP get the lower amount.

It loses the Treasury around £1.5bn of the original £4.6bn welfare cuts package, IFS says. Ouch.

So more pressure for tax rises this autumn”
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We are in a mess with sickness and disability benefits, post Covid a lot of people out of work.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Labour Ministers have been mis-selling a Policy - Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is not an out-of-work benefit. PIP is designed to help with the extra costs associated with a long-term health condition or disability, regardless of whether the individual is working. It is not means-tested, meaning that income and savings do not affect eligibility or the amount received. So the idea removing it from some people to get them into work is nonsense. Starmer and his team have played a shit game for about 10 months now.

Wow, are you feeling ok Bluethrunthru?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Complete shit show now this government, it’s clear they need to raise one of the big 4 taxes but won’t because of their promises. The numbers just won’t add up unless they do, especially with the increase in defence spending.

They need to start taxing the big multinational buinesses that don't pay their fair share of taxes for the business they do in the UK.

Eight tech companies in the UK avoided an estimated £1.5bn in 2019...

Eight tech companies made an estimated £9.6bn in profit from sales to UK customers in 2019, yet only faced corporation tax liabilities of £297 million.

www.taxwatchuk.org

Then look at the FTSE 100 companies, many still avoid paying their fair share via off shore tax havens such as the ROI and the Netherlands.

The rest of us have to pay more tax as they pay less.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Labour Ministers have been mis-selling a Policy - Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is not an out-of-work benefit. PIP is designed to help with the extra costs associated with a long-term health condition or disability, regardless of whether the individual is working. It is not means-tested, meaning that income and savings do not affect eligibility or the amount received. So the idea removing it from some people to get them into work is nonsense. Starmer and his team have played a shit game for about 10 months now.

Reeves can’t balance the books and picked on the WFA and now PIP scheme that helps people in work. Starmer is following the Reeves plan very amateurish not much thought going into the book-keeping

 

[Don Karleone]

“Keir Starmer has caved to welfare rebels and agreed existing disability claimants will **keep** their benefits.

Huge concession. Agreed in talks with Labour rebel leaders today.

Under original plan, 800,000 people who currently get the Personal Independence Payment would have lost out.

I understand Starmer has agreed that new claimants will be unaffected. Only new people getting PIP get the lower amount.

It loses the Treasury around £1.5bn of the original £4.6bn welfare cuts package, IFS says. Ouch.

So more pressure for tax rises this autumn”
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We are in a mess with sickness and disability benefits, post Covid a lot of people out of work.

Anyone can become disabled; this "concession" isn't good enough. I'm sure some of the rebels will eventually fall back into line, though.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

They're so shit at this.

Country is in a mess and disability claims post COVID are off the fucking charts for under 30s. These Labour MPs are disgraceful, what are they prepared to swallow to turn this around?

The government will be back dipping the pockets of the middle class to keep paying the welfare bill.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Utterly shambolic.

Unless they get very lucky with some economic outlier developing over the next 12-18 months - energy prices falling 30%-plus or more, allowing the BoE to get rates down by 150bp or so - then they’re pretty much fucked.

Quite an achievement to get yourself in this position within 12 months of winning such a large majority, even if they were incredibly fortunate with how their share of the vote translated into the number of seats gained.

 

[threespires]

Country is in a mess and disability claims post COVID are off the fucking charts for under 30s. These Labour MPs are disgraceful, what are they prepared to swallow to turn this around?

The government will be back dipping the pockets of the middle class to keep paying the welfare bill.

We can't properly turn it round till we understand what's going on. The rise in post COVID under 30s disability claims is heavily fueled by mental health issues. What makes it most worrying is that it's not being seen to the same extent in other countries and also if you look at the number of claims being rejected it's not really spiked which implies these are real issues? The suicide ideation and self harm rates have gone up significantly too in that group. Middle aged men remain the most vulnerable to suicide I think, but f**k knows what happens generationally if this isn't addressed.

I think it's the main area in terms of benefits where we are genuinely an outlier and it will blight us for years to come if we don't understand why it's happening and address it.

Personallly I really wish it was as simple as social influencers showing people how to game the process because then there'd be a pretext to come down hard on social media platforms which would make all our lives better imo. But unfortunately all the other correlating data suggests something more than that has happened.

So to me it's not a case of Labour MPs disgraceful or otherwise swallowing something to randomly get the numbers to balance. You're not wrong it needs addressing but the problems obviously predate this government and I'd prefer they didn't randomly thrash around but tried to understand what the hell was going on because a band aid is going to leave us in the cack.