The Labour Government

Chippy_boy said:
So in your mind, willfully doing what the public do not want is OK for any government? Let's leave it there, I am sure we are not going to agree on this.

Regards your 2nd paragraph, the impact of Brexit being greater than the loss to the economy from e.g. COVID, I would say is very debatable. The 2nd part about Truss is just complete nonsense, pure and simple. It's not even certain that the bond market crash was actually her fault, but even if it was, the impact in the scheme of things is trivial at most. Inflation rates were high and rising anway. World-wide inflation rates were shooting up, and yes if we accept that Truss messed up then she made it marginally worse. But to say that her actions had a bigger impact on the economy than COVID is just incorrect. All too easy for critics to blame her when in fact there were far bigger forces at play.
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Sorry, but when you’re wed to a political party to this embarrassing level there’s no point discussing anything with you so I’m out.
 
metalblue said:
As you’ll know the government tax an amount per litre and they can control that or they could pass legislation to control thr margins the retailer makes (which is a fraction of what the government “earns”). What they cannot control is how much the retailer has to pay for the fuel (which will be feedstock + refining + delivery), they could potentially control the delivery costs for the domestic part.

So they can’t control the price at the pump.
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Look how quick they put prices up when the oil price goes up, look how slow they bring it down when the price goes down. Then tax the fuck out of them. Tell them If they pass this onto the customer they will tax the fuck out of them even more.

We have the piss taken out of us, fuck companies and their profiteering. We have a govt with a large majority. They can pass laws designed to fuck over companies taking the piss if the will is there.

Or they can take the easy option and fuck us over and let others do the same.

I'm not even slightly hopeful though:-)
 
I see Labour MP's are rebelling about the proposed outside smoking ban that wasn't in the manifesto.
Not that I'm a smoker but thank goodness for that.
The only problem is moving smokers away from pub/club doors.
Probably alcohol next.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
I see Labour MP's are rebelling about the proposed outside smoking ban that wasn't in the manifesto.
Not that I'm a smoker but thank goodness for that.
The only problem is moving smokers away from pub/club doors.
Probably alcohol next.
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just seen news on it, as someone who has never smoked I find it rpuitanical bollocks, some people still smoke treating them like lepers is a cunts trick, I habe no issue with smoking in beer gardens or being sat with people who do.

I would ban children from pubs before I fully ban smokers, then as adults you choose to sit near a smokers and of so then on your head be it.
 
urban genie said:
just seen news on it, as someone who has never smoked I find it rpuitanical bollocks, some people still smoke treating them like lepers is a cunts trick, I habe no issue with smoking in beer gardens or being sat with people who do.

I would ban children from pubs before I fully ban smokers, then as adults you choose to sit near a smokers and of so then on your head be it.
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Five minutes in a busy street must be worth a lifetime of smokers output in a garden. I once stood in a doorway after a business meeting and had a cigarette while waiting for the rain to clear. A woman across the street said to her husband in a very loud voice: “Look at that man polluting our air.”
Then their chauffeur driven Roller came to pick them up. YCNMIU.
 
hilts said:
Look how quick they put prices up when the oil price goes up, look how slow they bring it down when the price goes down. Then tax the fuck out of them. Tell them If they pass this onto the customer they will tax the fuck out of them even more.

We have the piss taken out of us, fuck companies and their profiteering. We have a govt with a large majority. They can pass laws designed to fuck over companies taking the piss if the will is there.

Or they can take the easy option and fuck us over and let others do the same.

I'm not even slightly hopeful though:-)
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Definitely mate. Makes you think there is some sort of collusion as they all charge about the same in any given area.
 
urban genie said:
just seen news on it, as someone who has never smoked I find it rpuitanical bollocks, some people still smoke treating them like lepers is a cunts trick, I habe no issue with smoking in beer gardens or being sat with people who do.

I would ban children from pubs before I fully ban smokers, then as adults you choose to sit near a smokers and of so then on your head be it.
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As someone who deals with habitual smokers on a daily basis I'm all for it. The most prolific smokers need us to make the habit absolutely fucking miserable for them so they are forced by circumstances to stop. Many lack the will power and rationality to make changes and some even find weird justifications and claim vaping and nicotine replacement is worse than smoking. Nutters.

There is no such thing as the human right to smoke.

It's a disgusting habit and it harms all of us because we have to pay for the cost of treating their pointless self inflicted health conditions.
 
urban genie said:
just seen news on it, as someone who has never smoked I find it rpuitanical bollocks, some people still smoke treating them like lepers is a cunts trick, I habe no issue with smoking in beer gardens or being sat with people who do.

I would ban children from pubs before I fully ban smokers, then as adults you choose to sit near a smokers and of so then on your head be it.
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I would suggest that any politician of any persuasion, looking at the state of the UK and thinking “I know what to do, let’s ban people having a cigarette in beer gardens”, must know deep down there are far more serious issues to deal with but they’ve no idea where to start.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
As someone who deals with habitual smokers on a daily basis I'm all for it. The most prolific smokers need us to make the habit absolutely fucking miserable for them so they are forced by circumstances to stop. Many lack the will power and rationality to make changes and some even find weird justifications and claim vaping and nicotine replacement is worse than smoking. Nutters.

There is no such thing as the human right to smoke.

It's a disgusting habit and it harms all of us because we have to pay for the cost of treating their pointless self inflicted health conditions.
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But what about those whose mental health and general health be made even more worse due to becoming forced social outcasts even more.

Banning things doesn't automatically help those that need it most, and allowing smokers an area to smoke in the company of others who are accepting of it doesn't mean forcing their habit on others.

plenty of pubs now have designated area and no smokong areas in beer gardens, a complete ban won't necessarily mean someone will give up, but does ostracise them even more from society.

Just seems.starmer has found a now minor issue to be puritanicl about, I don't drive and don't want to breathe in car fumes, imagine if we baned cars in urban areas, which will be just as helpful for our health, no one would stand for it as the majority drive.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
As someone who deals with habitual smokers on a daily basis I'm all for it. The most prolific smokers need us to make the habit absolutely fucking miserable for them so they are forced by circumstances to stop. Many lack the will power and rationality to make changes and some even find weird justifications and claim vaping and nicotine replacement is worse than smoking. Nutters.

There is no such thing as the human right to smoke.

It's a disgusting habit and it harms all of us because we have to pay for the cost of treating their pointless self inflicted health conditions.
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It does cost the NHS over £2 billion shame the govt doesn't use the £8.8 billion in taxes it receives eh?

Anyhow I suppose next.week we will all be behind banning sugar. Diabetes and obesity now that costs an eye watering amount, is there anything more disgusting than a fatty munching on a pie. Not as bad as someone putting a cigarette in their mouth. I mean it's hard not to throw up:-)

Week after maybe alcohol?

Maybe we can ban breathing in what with the state of air pollution although I believe it wafts in from China:-)

Just think how much the welfare budget would reduce if we all stop breathing.

Sometimes a can of worms can be opened and common sense goes out the window.

Or is just another convenient small demographic that the govt can pick on.


* I don't currently smoke or vape.
 
Also thendick hasn't earnt, such unimportant measures help feed the cunts like farage and grimes goingon about freedoms and will again in time, whip up more bullshit
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
I would suggest that any politician of any persuasion, looking at the state of the UK and thinking “I know what to do, let’s ban people having a cigarette in beer gardens”, must know deep down there are far more serious issues to deal with but they’ve no idea where to start.
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Agree and in fairness the last lot had quite possibly the most ridiculous policy on smoking about to come in that anyone could come up with.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
In the quest to raise taxes and reduce the state pension burden, they should be encouraging people to smoke.
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They have already lined the replacement tax up, vapes will cost more and more as they phase out ciggie smokers.

Smoking is taxed more than vaping in the UK, as smoking is subject to both tobacco duty and VAT, while vaping is only subject to VAT:


  • Smoking
    A packet of 20 cigarettes is taxed with tobacco duty, ad valorem, and VAT. The average price of a packet of 20 cigarettes increased to £14.39 in 2023, and is expected to increase to around £16 in October 2026.


  • Vaping
    Vaping products are only subject to the standard 20% VAT rate. However, a new bill is proposed that would introduce a duty on vaping products based on the amount of nicotine in the liquid. The proposed duty would be:

    • £1 per 10ml for nicotine-free liquids


    • £2 per 10ml for liquids that contain 0.1-10.9mg


    • £3 per 10ml for liquids that contain 11mg or more

 
hilts said:
Week after maybe alcohol?
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Maybe so in terms of public health and easing the burden on the NHS could be a good move however where it differs from smoking is 10 of us can sit around a table in a room and everyone has an alcoholic drink of their choice except one who has a tap water. The water drinker is not exposed passively to the rest of us drinking.
 
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